I agree with all of the points brought up here so far. That being said, I would like to see general tickets grow into a system or place similar to duskruin, but focused on fluff. Blood scrip on mechanical items, general tickets on fluff and RP. Expanding the fluff offerings that are available for the tickets.

How much effort would it take to create a "doll factory" or "Doll workshop" area that allowed you to create specific or semi-random doll accessories? Similar to the idea put forth by VEYTHRONE, but structured more like the sweatshop or runestaff maker? That way you didn't have to make so many specific items and they could be made "on demand". Special, rare material or unique in features/descriptors would go out in the drop system and players would get more tickets to choose what they might want. I was lucky to finish the doll I wanted already, but the items seemed fairly common in the drop system. I found a few others later on that gave me ideas, but the thought of having to try and find or trade for specific items to go with it was very discouraging. I really love the idea and the system of the dolls and accessories but feel it doesn't play nicely with the item limits on characters and lockers.

An Idea that might help with a lot of little issues - An NPC that sits outside the manor, accepts accessories and then resells them for 10x tickets or so and randomly shuffles some parts out from time to time. Like a pawnshop. Here's the five most recent eyes turned in, shoes, pants etc. That way the people wanting to sell without going back in are happy and people looking for specific things might find them more easily on a table, or find something they didn't know existed but someone inside just sold it without bothering with dealing with the secondary market. I understand this would be a lot of work, and probably better suited for the next run.

I was also a little discouraged to see some of the exact same items come back into the hopper. I don't mind seeing the same script, but altering the item just a little bit at least keeps it a bit fresher then seeing the exact same items return again. This is ok for consumables, but finding the same exact pure profession gloves, pegleg etc can be a bummer. The gem pouches are really well done this time around as are the growing pots!

Fantastic job on the different types of certs! Far exceeded my expectations on a voucher/cert/automated light/deep system. It seems the lightening tickets are much rarer than the deep, but the deep ranging in depth added and max depth (up to Epic deep!) is a great system and gives entry points for all kinds of people on the secondary market! Great job with this! Unlock vouchers for fluff items! Looks like so far its the growing pots and doll case, but they are welcome and I hope the trend continues that such things are offered more regularly to reduce unlocking on staff moving forward.

I forgot some of the little details that make Delirium Manor such a fun place to just slowly explore. Between the basement and the attic, it's tough to choose a better place to hang out and enjoy the scenery. Everyone should also check out the secret room if they can! The NPCs are spoiled! I watched one pull a core right in front of me! Their comments are good in-jokes and keep the setting light hearted. As always, a fantastic job creating a place and story to go with it. I must have Whax teach me how to steal souls!

The short and sweet: I really love the concept of this run, but can't get into it 100% because of mechanical limitations that I feel stifle the idea. I understand those same constraints may be taken into account for balance or rarity, but I think it also stifles player creativity at the same time. It's clear attention and love went into making a lot of the accessories, I'd love to be able to make a few more dolls with the extra pieces I have, but finding specific parts is a lot of effort (or money).

Keep up the great work and thank you!

Wyrom says, "Ordim is the reason savants won't be coded as well."

"It's like here's 500 torsos, and here's all these accessories for you, but guess what, you can't finish your doll and use any of it."

This so much

That being said, I got a lot of items, but what's the point of all these cool accessories if it's just going to be used by a handful of people who are lucky enough to get a head, a core and some glue?

Seems pointless. Obviously a lot of work went into the event but why make a doll event if $100 can't even give more than a small chance of getting a whole doll?

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I think the event is worth it now that I have had time to analyze all of the stuff I picked up, however, the event would be a lot more fun if vanilla dolls were given out right away, so one could immediately start dressing up a doll. Going 30-50 runs without finding head or glue is seriously frustrating, when we are just getting tons of doll accessories we can't use!

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Founds some notes but nothing great. Of course i missed the happy hours

Well, I did manage to get a doll together:

You see a jointed wooden doll that has been glued together. The doll has a crown-braided circlet of white hair and has glowing yellow eyes that stare blankly at you. It has an aristocratic nose centered on its tiny face, and two scar-notched ears are secured to its head. It is wearing an ebon and ivory ouroboros brooch, an elaborate gold crown, a leather-wrapped white hawk feather, a black silver-buckled knapsack, a silver-studded black leather baldric, a black spidersilk cloak, a fitted crushed velvet vest, a black lockpick kit, some sigil-incised inky black vambraces, a pair of black leather gloves, a gold feather-etched ring, a pair of crisp black linen trousers, some studded leather shin guards, and a pair of soft lamb's wool socks. It is holding an ebon-studded ironwood crossbow in its right hand and a minuscule maoral box in its left hand.


The base description is so lame, but it can be altered:

a jointed wooden doll

There is something horrible about it that I did not realize before, you cannot swap out items. If you wish to replace an item, the old one is destroyed! So much for bothering to collect the accessories for any ******* reason.

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My bad; that was actually her SECOND announcement about it, when she upgraded the accessory count from 500 to 600+.

However, it was from the post with actual mechanics disclosed in it, rather than just a teaser about the fact of the ability.

Pfff... I probably haven't played in eleven years, either! :)

(Actually, that's not true: I've been burning up with the Bard--seriously, it really is "login, push button, get experience" with him; at this point I'm just seeing how badly I can abuse different systems--but I think I can safely say that Krakii has not been played since the GS4 conversion.)

Like one of my sig-lines says: "$40 / month for bulletin board access, NOW with Free Game!"

I had fun with this event! Despite no jackpot wins on my part with 150 entries, the lightening and deepening notes were fantastic and made everything worthwhile on their own, never mind anything else I found. It's great to see this new automation with both the notes and unlock vouchers. The Chronomage capsules are also awesome additions--both now and for any spheres dropped in future non-DM events.

I'm looking forward to the next run of DM, whenever that might be. Especially if playershops are all done by then, so a much smaller percentage of the piles of things like Rainbowear or head accessories would go straight to the pawnshop.


For constructive criticism, I wish I could show one of the manor NPCs my container and have them buy everything inside, like the furrier or gem shop. I'm sure I'd make mistakes, but it's still better than handing things over one by one. Unloading was the one thing to dread about this event, but... it's a very, very real dread. :P


Lastly, back to a positive note: this was my first time at DM and I really enjoyed the design of lots of the doll clothing. Even though they ultimately only turned into 2 tickets in the end and could be considered disappointing finds in a way, I kept looking forward to at least seeing the descriptions all the way to the end. Well-crafted text or nostalgic references, they were so well-done! (Even wished there were full-sized versions many times...)

I agree 100% with what Veythorne is saying.

I had a good time all in all, I never actually got the jackpots I wanted (the whisper backpack and the magician's hat). I actually didn't get a jackpot on that level at all.

The things I liked, I loved the spheres and the capsules! probably the most useful thing out of the entire event for me. Love the Toffit clothing, however I wish it had unlock certs like the Dawdly pots did. The lighten/deepen certs were a nice touch as well. I love that you allowed us the ability to actually assemble the doll minus the core, unless you got really lucky (which I didn't) but it was still really nice. I loved that there were two gem cutter patterns in the shop! They are the only thing in the shop I bought.

Now to the things that I think need fixed.

Ruffs need to go away, for the love of god, so many, and I will never wear one. The sheaths, I have a warrior that can make sheaths so this was also useless to me, would rather see love for warriors and give them the ability to further alter their sheaths. The shear randomness of the jackpots were a bit disconcerting, I spent about 200 dollars and never got one. For a fluff event I felt they should be a little more plentiful. And honestly the shop is filled with junk that I would never purchase except for the patterns which I did. The return on money and time invested just didn't pan out for me this time, and I likely will not do it again with the way that it stands. If things change I probably will go back, but if you compare it to duskruin it just doesn't hold a candle in my opinion in terms of utility. For the life of me I don't understand why a fluff event, with non game breaking items potentially being offered, why they aren't more easily gotten. Also like I said before, if you are offering items that can be found, you should also offer unlock certs to go with them so people can actually use them, instead of them sitting on a bunch of Tier 2 clothing that will probably never be unlocked.

> @GBB: Unloading was the one thing to dread about this event, but... it's a very, very real dread.

... I made a quick and dirty script for it and it was still painful!

So this is a second for the Jeweler mechanics!

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>>For constructive criticism, I wish I could show one of the manor NPCs my container and have them buy everything inside, like the furrier or gem shop. I'm sure I'd make mistakes, but it's still better than handing things over one by one. Unloading was the one thing to dread about this event, but... it's a very, very real dread. :P

Looping through container inventory is some dangerous stuff.

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>> Looping through container inventory is some dangerous stuff.

That's pretty much what the script I did to sell off every doll part in my inventory did... And probably in a way that people around me weren't too happy about, at times.

I'm still of the opinion that the inventory management was my biggest gripe. It sounds good up-front, but 500 unique items, in a game where you have only so many slots, just doesn't work out too well. Either the cases need to hold ALL your doll parts, or some other sort of system has to come around. I personally hated knowing how much work had to have gone into all those items, just to be pretty much forced to chuck them for pragmatic reasons. I REALLY wish that either the cases hold all parts, or the doll parts primarily come from a prize wall so you can pick and choose which ones you want (And you can even have "legendary" doll item vouchers come from the junk piles or something, and that's the only way to get some of the rarest items).

Request to allow more frequent shaking of the dollhouse :)

>>Request to allow more frequent shaking of the dollhouse :)

I like that thinking! Also still wish I could pour a drink on the dollhouse to knock people over with ale waves...

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>I'm still of the opinion that the inventory management was my biggest gripe. It sounds good up-front, but 500 unique items, in a game where you have only so many slots, just doesn't work out too well. Either the cases need to hold ALL your doll parts, or some other sort of system has to come around.

Two years back I got a T5 item from EG. It was a a leaf-motif servingware case.

The case is a pretty neat item, though it wasn't something I would ever make use of and I sold it off. The case, when opened would open to a platter and it can hold 4 teacups, 4 mugs, 4 goblets, 4 plates, 4 saucers, 4 forks, 4 knives, 4 spoons, 4 teaspoons, 1 kettle, supposedly a bottle of tea flavoring.. etc.. they stack and then when you close the case, they disappear, so it's 1 item.

The case could be set down (but you're subject to the craptastic janitor should you crash or even, as far as I know, other people picking it up) to open it and interact with. Or you can open it while holding, but the servingware case goes from 1 item to whatever piece count you have inside (if you have 20 items in it, the case goes from counting as 1 item when closed to 21 items when open - 20 for the stacked items +1 for the platter itself) and could cause you issues if it pushes you past the max item limit you can hold.

Anyway, maybe they could design a similar trunk/box/case that allows similar doll items to be stacked when closed so it only counts as 1 item, it would expand to the number of items you have put in there when opened. There's already code out there that does this with the servingwear cases, so maybe a NIR could take a look at it and use it or at least modify it to function as a doll item container....?

-Drumpel

yeah, the cases would be a solutuon, if they were upped to significantly more slots. other than holding doll parts (which didnt always stack properly, yeah) holding the other items was usually 1, maybe 2 per slot, because of variety.

given the highly specific nature, having more slots be a special thing seems odd, but the more also isnt enough to really make a difference. holding ten more of 500 parts isnt going to change things.

id rather the cases have two dimensions (to get to items faster), hold 500 to 1000 (for future expansion) and special ones basically be ones where you can pull out a random part every day or something.

Doll Cases ...

Imagine the surprise of my inner little girl when the doll would not store in the case with her clothes!

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Store the dolls in the dollhouse toys?

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This may be more of a game mechanics question than a DM question, but, after all these years, why does the game still have a 500 item limit oin character items?




Clunk

(Buy your swords at CBD weapons in Zul Logoth.)

"Somewhere after 500 items you start running into character corruption issues. They'd probably need to update / change some of the underlying nuts and bolts of the game to address this"


Nuts and bolts? Like the ones that connect the hamster wheel to the support base?

Id be interested in hearing more about the 500 item count limit, what would be the best subforum to discuss this topic.