On the sixth day of ESN, empaths gained the ability to transfer scars from other adventurers if they have 50 or more ranks of Mental Lore, Transference!

For those who will point out that this is a steep cost for a lore that has no other uses: that is only temporary. Mental Lore, Transference is being introduced as a lore for those who want to specialize in healing and will have more uses to come soon!

~ Konacon

Interesting change, Konacon! I am curious to see what else you have in store for us. Thanks!


> Will the chance for scar healing on 1100 healing spells Transference from Blessings? How about RT reductions from Transformation? Just pointing out that there are already two different lores for those who wish to specialize in healing, as my empath does.


Yes please. 6 Lores is a lot to manage, even marginally. I would like to see buffs for 1102, 1103, 1104, 1105, 1107, and 1125 switched from SL: Blessing to ML: Transference. And a fixskills to go along with it, please. :)

>> Will the chance for scar healing on 1100 healing spells Transference from Blessings? How about RT reductions from Transformation? Just pointing out that there are already two different lores for those who wish to specialize in healing, as my empath does.

> Yes please. 6 Lores is a lot to manage, even marginally. I would like to see buffs for 1102, 1103, 1104, 1105, 1107, and 1125 switched from SL: Blessing to ML: Transference. And a fixskills to go along with it, please. :)

This is not likely to happen. As far as talking about the problems with too many lores and balancing lores, it's probably best to wait until everything has come out to talk about whether or not too many lores are involved.

~ Konacon

Interesting update! As a warpath I don't care about Manipulation lore much (arguably even prefer not having it because 1117 doesn't carry over 1106/1115 instant kills), so we'll see if other Transference updates can lead me away from the "everything goes into Telepathy except 57 Transformation" plan... not quite there yet!

OK, this is not a gripe, complaint, disagreement, whine, accusation, bellyache, snivel, grumble, fuss, objection, criticism, grievance, disapproval, protest, or a judgement. What it is, is a question, because, quite frankly, I'm a little bit confused.

Right now I find empaths very hard to hunt, mainly in the level 85 to cap/post-cap range (and when I say hunt, I mean SOLO hunt). I despise healing as a mainstay of gaining experience for any of my empaths; I find it boring, tedious and overly competitive (especially when dealing with the script healers).

That being said, I'd like to know where these updates to empaths are heading. Are we supposed to now become town healers? Are we going to have to split our training paths, yet again, in order to remain, at best mediocre? Will we be able to be effective hunters, either by weapon or spell, or are we doomed to be relegated to sitting in some godforsaken spot in some town and heal ourselves into mind-numbing oblivion?

Please don't get me wrong, I appreciate the effort it has taken to make the updates we've seen, and I don't expect my empaths to be invincible, I just don't want them able to out-hunt a like-level warrior before level 65 (my empath actually used to be mistaken as a warrior, due to armor, weapon choice and lethality), only to have to settle on being nearly combat ineffective late in life.

Thanks for all the updates thus far, I do like them; it would just be nice to get some hint as to where we might be headed with this whole thing.

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<<I feel this is a case of "Bowels/Confluence are bad hunting areas for Empaths and Rift Planes 4/5 are boring" rather than "Empaths are bad at hunting". They do fine in Old Ta'Faendryl, Nelemar, and Sanctum of Scales.

You are correct in all the above, except I did not say empaths are bad at hunting, I stated they are very hard to hunt. My problem is, I like the bowels...no, I love hunting in the bowels...have since the first day one of mine set foot in that place. My Katana wielding empath was a blast to play everywhere, until the day he hit the bowels. I do not like any of the other places; and none of my characters hunt the Sanctum, nor will they ever. The same holds true for OT and Nelemar; as a player I do not like hunting there, RP'ing there, or even being there, and yes, I understand that is a choice I have to live with.

I'm mostly puzzled by the need for yet another lore (and the TP expenditure that goes along with that training path) to do something empaths should already have been inherently able to do.

I know this isn't over yet, there's more to come, and I'm waiting to see what happens. However, from what I've seen happen to other classes, I see a definite pattern emerging that is leading me to be somewhat more "pro-active" with my questions. I'm kind of tired of getting the "now you get to train in this if you want to be good at that, and you get to do so at the cost of something else you were good in."

It seems to me we're rapidly creating one dimensional cookie-cutter characters, there's just a few more shapes than before.

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Any chance for a Stormfront update to help with Scar transfers?

WOOT, SCARS!! FINALLY!!

>>Yes please. 6 Lores is a lot to manage, even marginally.

I have to agree, especially since four of those share a 202 max cap...

I'm obviously reserving any final judgment until all this unfolds (awesome stuff so far), but I'm uncertain why one of the other, already used Lores wouldn't work? Honestly though, I kinda feel like there's just one too many Lores in the Mental tree anyway... could par it down to four, I would think, and it would be fine (even with Savants). It just seems a bit extraneous when the other Lore trees have five, three, and two branches, whereas the one that is used by one only Profession (IIRC) at present has five... especially given that one would be forced to divide even further when reaching the upper shared limit.

Blessings, Transformation, or even Telepathy would kinda make sense to me... Blessings if one assumes the the schism between hunting Empath and healing empath exists between Spiritual (mostly healing) and Mental (mostly hunting, becase SL:M) Lores, or Transformation or Telepathy as a alternative to Manipulation for the same.

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Again, can't stress this is enough -- these are, overall, pretty fantastic updates... especially the Scar transferring!!

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Yeah, so you're stating very hard to hunt...for one of the most powerful hunting classes (empaths), using a mutant build (THW warpath) that has a huge known weakness (near cap AS, skills), hunting in one of the most difficult (guiding force jarls, earthen fury elders, dispels, mstriking elementals, stone fisting maneuvers) and crazy places in the game (where my post-cap physical character can still regularly get killed).

And not willing to hunt any place else which is much easier. I don't see the problem.

I now have a new post-cap goal. Neat. Not going to comment on Transference Lore until I see what else is coming out.

Also, pure Empaths do very well on Rift Plane 4/5. Spell aiming helps tremendously in this regard, but also ever since I 2xed PF, Plane 4 isn't that bad.

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Seeing that it's been nearly a year, I thought I would bump this to see if my comment might get a little attention. Last year, I spoke on discord and was told something along the lines of needing time to see how these changes settle before additional tweaks could be considered.

So, I'm wondering if the powers that be may consider smaller lore for smaller scars? :) Thanks!

I'd like to see it be a whole lot more powerful with a bit of a cooldown similar to how rapid healing works. Something that could be used in the middle of combat to get you and your group back into fighting shape, but not something you can use repeatedly.

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<However, just for clarity and to keep expectations realistic. At this time, I'm only exploring very targeted options for addressing the scarring issue on group members that 1125 creates.>

Just remove the group benefit or change it to only heal blood for group members. A combat empath shouldn't be healing mid-fight and a healing empath should be paying enough attention to grab any wounds inflicted immediately anyway.

1125 is already powerful enough and making empaths more powerful over all will just bring more complaints about them being unbalanced.

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> However, just for clarity and to keep expectations realistic. At this time, I'm only exploring very targeted options for addressing the scarring issue on group members that 1125 creates.

You are awesome for taking my example of why I want minor scar healing the most and looking for a solution!

Perhaps I should write the rest of my reasons down... G (But no really, I had another empath steal my minor scars and I couldn't steal'm back. Them scars are a badge of honor (and make it stupid obvious you're LOOKing at an empath. It's a weird thing that's hard to describe but empaths of old (and now) sometimes tease each other and I wasn't able to tease back and express myself. Instead I sat there a moment wallowing in my lore-choices.)

Err my post got a bit sad-face. I meant to simply reply and say THANK YOU for exploring options so that I feel comfortable using 1125 for my group without carrying minor scar healing herbs as an "after-hunt snack" for my fellow party members.

>Please give all empaths super soakers that hold minor scar healing tinctures so that we can spray group members after a hunt. Clerics and wizards can already soak people, it is only fair.

D:

--Jen
>Darcena says, "But I cannot give my heart to someone else, when I no longer own it."
>Balley nods, "I hope you will find your heart and heal one day."
>Darcena admits, "I think he ate it."
>Balley's jaw drops, "Really. Men are jerks at times."

Can you please better explain how you set Troll's Blood so it does not heal anything higher than Rank 1 wounds? I was not aware it could heal anything higher than Rank 1 wounds. I knew it could heal Rank 2 and 3 scars with the appropriate lores.

--Jen
>Darcena says, "But I cannot give my heart to someone else, when I no longer own it."
>Balley nods, "I hope you will find your heart and heal one day."
>Darcena admits, "I think he ate it."
>Balley's jaw drops, "Really. Men are jerks at times."