Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 06/24/2014 07:36 PM CDT
Hopefully my post didn't come across as my being upset. I'm certainly not in the least.

What I had hoped to do was give some constructive feedback about what would appeal more to me personally. If the price were lower I'd be more tempted to go a few times. Thats just me and everyone is different! I certainly appreciate all the different events that have come out lately.

Chad, player of a few
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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 06/24/2014 10:31 PM CDT
Will the description change that's available work on an armor hiding robe gotten from the Talador shop?

I'll buy a ticket if that robe description can be changed as one of three item description changes.

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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 06/24/2014 11:00 PM CDT
All standard alteration rules apply at this event. Armor concealers have some restrictions to their alteration process, but without seeing the specific item, I'm not sure if this item is barred from alters.



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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 06/25/2014 01:45 AM CDT
<All standard alteration rules apply at this event. Armor concealers have some restrictions to their alteration process, but without <seeing the specific item, I'm not sure if this item is barred from alters.

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Tanivar is currently wearing it if you can access his worn inventory list.

Can you view it if it's in his locker? Or perhaps a GM can get the data while I'm in TSC or I can meet you somewhere at your convenience?



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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 06/25/2014 08:29 AM CDT
REGISTER it.



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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 06/25/2014 09:24 AM CDT
<REGISTER it.

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Done :)

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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 06/25/2014 10:15 AM CDT
That concealer covers torso, arms, and legs, so as long as it stays as something that can be cover those things, it should not be a big deal. For example, a coat would be fine. A tabard wouldn't.



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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 06/25/2014 10:18 AM CDT


>That concealer covers torso, arms, and legs, so as long as it stays as something that can be cover those things, it should not be a big deal

a onesie :)
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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 06/25/2014 10:31 AM CDT
Onesies don't have leggings! Though it could be something an oversized long-sleeved onesie that clearly doesn't fit properly! (this is a joke post)



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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 06/25/2014 10:34 AM CDT


>Onesies don't have leggings! Though it could be something an oversized long-sleeved onesie that clearly doesn't fit properly! (this is a joke post)

sorry, meant onesie pajamas, not the baby version with the snaps on the crotch

https://www.google.com/search?q=onesie+pajamas&espv=2&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=1OuqU9LbIoyVyAS_v4GwBA&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg&biw=1245&bih=758
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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 06/25/2014 10:41 AM CDT


I'm only half joking on this one:

could you get an armor concealer altered into "a floppy-eared bunny costume with a pert bushy tail"
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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 06/25/2014 10:42 AM CDT
Floppy ear would require it to be a full armor concealer, duh!
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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 06/25/2014 10:44 AM CDT


>Floppy ear would require it to be a full armor concealer, duh!

I have a full one in my locker
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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 06/25/2014 10:45 AM CDT
Huh! I guess those work! (No, just no)



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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 06/25/2014 10:47 AM CDT

>(No, just no)

I also have a fairy princess costume, so costumes are not necessarily foreign to GS
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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 06/25/2014 08:57 PM CDT
> • making a container hold 10% more up to the following limits: backworn and cloakworn items up to incredible; shoulder-slung items up to particularly large; belt, beltworn, headworn, leg-worn, chest-worn, or over-the-front items up to fairly large; and any other container up to slightly small; however, items this last category will not be able to hold individual items that are larger than 2 pounds each. Pinworn containers are not eligible for the deepening service.

These deepens are pretty epic in my book, if not the exact same type as "epic" from RtCF and CCF (having gotten both of those). Keep in mind, many items listed here that go up to "fairly large" is beyond what was considered "epic" at RtCF/CCF. Now of course, I can read, and one single service will not put them to the stated threshold. But I've got enough alterations, but I'm a quirky pocket junkie if ever there was one, so my eyes just glazed over until the deepening part, which I read repeatedly, of course.

For example, I got an epic deepening service on a script-closing belt at CCF which went up to "medium". Fairly tempted to take the belt and triple deepen it here. Phase my crazy belt, phase!

Although I don't think I'd waste the slot, am I correct in understanding that an earring that is not pinworn and thus could be deepened?

>You estimate that a pulsating blue sunstone earring can store a very small amount with enough space for one item.

>You determine that you could wear the earring, hanging it from your ear. The earring appears to serve some purpose.

Neat deepening offers, GMs! Assuming based on what I posted above, I wouldn't be disappointed if I attend to get such deepening work?

Also, am I right in assuming that the "never can be deepened" part of the RtCF pocket adding service still means "never"? I'm presuming YES because when I INSPECT it, it doesn't even claim to have pockets...(yes yes yes, it's my foot-worn DB socks...shut up)



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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 06/25/2014 09:54 PM CDT
>16lbs - Tiny containers like thigh sheaths, ankle sheaths and waist worn stuff

Hmm I missed this.

>When we deepen something, we tend to increase the capacity about 10% until it hits its max, which is in proportion to its base weight. That's why we have some players that know you need to deepen X amount of times before you should start lightening it.

I guess it all makes sense. I know that lightening then deepening or deepening then lightening is not the same. I think the cloak I got an epic deepen on had straight lighten to (its) minimum and no normal deepens. My morphing cloak I think I deepened once or twice before I lightened it, but my memory isn't perfect.

Though I'm not really clear on this mechanic of "base weight". Most the normal (non-phasing) belt-worns on my main were originally wedding pouches. While they are already at 'fairly large' it sounds like from their less than 1 pound weight they'd get pretty much nixed on deepens like this no matter what.

So how should I interpret the contradiction of 16 pound capacity of a waist worn item with the OP statement that belts can go up to fairly large? My belt probably weighs less than half a pound and was epic deepened to 20 (which is 'medium') at CCF. This definitely is a make or break for my interest to attend. No hard feelings, just good for me to know what's going on before I get a ticket. A belt needs to have chunks of glaes hanging from it to get to the stated fairly large limit, or it's a categorical point based on its location? Also I figured 10% was 10% of its carrying capacity, not its weight...

I feel confused (but that'll happen).



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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 06/25/2014 10:11 PM CDT
>>if EG has a 5(some arbitrary number I made up) service limit, ill be ready to sharpen my pitchfork.

Assuming you mean GALD services, there are no plans to limit these at Ebon Gate.

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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 06/25/2014 10:11 PM CDT
You might be confusing waist worn and belt worn. Waist worn is the actual belt. Belt worn are the things hanging off the belt, like a sack or pouch.



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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 06/25/2014 10:50 PM CDT
>You might be confusing waist worn and belt worn. Waist worn is the actual belt. Belt worn are the things hanging off the belt, like a sack or pouch.

Am I, or did Vanah type this oddly?

> belt, beltworn, headworn, leg-worn, chest-worn, or over-the-front items up to fairly large

I read something that IS a belt, and something worn on a belt, both the fairly large. Let me point out, that list also include hats potentially going up to 50 pound capacity. I'd be all over that if I had gone for epic deep on a hat at CCF instead of a belt...



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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 06/25/2014 11:24 PM CDT
It really just boils down to how the belt was made. That's where the "base weight" would come in. I will be your merchant for the first 2 runs, and I will make sure I am clear with everyone on deepening before I execute the service. So if you make it for this upcoming weekend's run, see you then!



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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 06/25/2014 11:53 PM CDT
>It really just boils down to how the belt was made. That's where the "base weight" would come in. I will be your merchant for the first 2 runs, and I will make sure I am clear with everyone on deepening before I execute the service. So if you make it for this upcoming weekend's run, see you then!

Firstly, thanks so much for the quick and direct replies. I appreciate it.

As far as whether I will attend, I'm largely interested in these really sweet deepening services. For me it's honestly as much RP as alterations; I could wear a real backpack instead of a troll leg backsheath, or get more doeskin vests on the secondary market if it was the total raw capacity my character was after. Kaldonis is just a major geek about weird pocketed items.

I'm not sure I'd spot $30 for a potential extra item capacity in an earring and some alterations; honestly, this is the kind of item Kaldonis alters these days, a 2 item capacity closing jar:

>You remove a clear glass pickling jar from in your marbrinus purse.

An extra 6 to 8 pounds in my fun belt might be worth $30, though, for the (marginally more) snickers.

I know I'm probably the most troublesome player when it comes to exotic deepening, since I think most people just go for 140 lbs cloaks and all that. At CCF I had to cycle to five or even 6 items for the "other" category (it landed me on the belt in question...and I passed selling my slot for 15 or 20m)

Probably it was registered many times, but...

>Your item, "a braided leather rope belt with an ink-black ribbon woven into the braids", has been registered.

Can you give me any info on it? I bought it already altered and with the turn-to-open hidden pocket mechanism, probably around 2000. So I have no clue at all how to assess its original status and how it was made. It's a magical pocket...right, right?!



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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 06/26/2014 12:44 AM CDT
>Assuming you mean GALD services, there are no plans to limit these at Ebon Gate.- Liia

Excellent! It's a relief to hear. I guess I'll put the pitchfork away and replace it with a butter knife.
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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 06/26/2014 06:57 AM CDT
>>Can you give me any info on it? I bought it already altered and with the turn-to-open hidden pocket mechanism, probably around 2000. So I have no clue at all how to assess its original status and how it was made. It's a magical pocket...right, right?!

Yeah, viewing how that was made, we could probably make that hold quite a bit more (up to 50lbs).



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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 06/27/2014 12:22 PM CDT
> belt, beltworn

You heard correctly.

Some items are worn as a belt (ie: a sash)

Some items are worn on your belt (ie: a belt pouch)

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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 06/27/2014 12:34 PM CDT
>Yeah, viewing how that was made, we could probably make that hold quite a bit more (up to 50lbs).

woot woot woot, let's see what we can do tomorrow. I'll try to bring along some fun items for backup alteration plans, since someone gave me the limb petrifying powder. Think I have a 140 capacity cloak somewhere, too.

Next, I'll need Kenstrom to get me some dead orphans. What else are you supposed to put into a fairly large belt?



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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 06/27/2014 02:18 PM CDT
>Next, I'll need Kenstrom to get me some dead orphans. What else are you supposed to put into a fairly large belt?

Surofee's sledgehammer.

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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 06/28/2014 01:32 PM CDT
I give this massive upvotes.

Except, I had no clue how to get off the ship. I resorted to Spirit Guide. I was in the Elven Nations, but I kind of prefer River's Rest. I think I can't actually complain about free planar chalk, even if I thought to stay in EN for the festival.



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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 06/28/2014 01:37 PM CDT
>Except, I had no clue how to get off the ship. I resorted to Spirit Guide. I was in the Elven Nations, but I kind of prefer River's Rest. I think I can't actually complain about free planar chalk, even if I thought to stay in EN for the festival.

There is a gangplank where you are first brought that will take you back where you came. I'm closing the Spirit Guide loophole.

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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 06/28/2014 01:38 PM CDT
Sorry, long day. 130 landed me in WL.

:P



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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 06/28/2014 01:41 PM CDT
>There is a gangplank where you are first brought

I was looking for it!!

Sorry, I've had very little sleep lately, and I just gave up and tried Spirit Guide out of sheer laziness. I thought I got back to the starting place...and I starting trying "go gang" every room I entered. (I blame my brain for failing to compute.)



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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 06/28/2014 01:50 PM CDT
You are looking for this room:

[Albatross, Main Deck]
Sunlight glints off the polished rosewood and mahogany decks. A mahogany-framed entry inlaid with ornate gold filigree leads inside the riverboat, while the deck wraps about it all. Carefully piled silk rope sits next to a gaily beribboned mahogany gangplank leading off the boat, which is adorned with carved mistwood albatross perched along the railings.
Obvious paths: northeast, northwest

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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 06/29/2014 01:35 PM CDT
So, this was totally awesome -- signed up to check it out and got all 3 of my services done before the first half-hour was even over, more or less. The merchant was very helpful, and I'm quite pleased with the results; my absolute favorite cloak (Duplicity) is now delightfully deep [that's not actually a category, but I'd like to pretend that it is], and I had my plain old boring backpack replaced with a fun scripted item altered to look similar with no problems or unexpected complications at all.

Personally, I'm very glad to see this option available... if the services listed are ones you happen to be interested in, I'd say it's totes worth it. The ability to deepen beyond the normal capacity -- even if it's not quite the super-rare CCF level of crazy epic deepens -- is a guaranteed thing for attendees, and I'd say is worth the price point alone if you're into that.

As I said above, I'd also love to see a different event with more vanity offerings like custom spell preps, tattoos, etcetera... but this is quite well-done for what it offers, from my first experience.




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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 06/29/2014 08:03 PM CDT
I appreciate the kind words. You guys were great to work with.



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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 06/29/2014 11:41 PM CDT
>You guys were great to work with.

Likewise!!

I would definitely attend if it's ever offered again in the future!



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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 06/29/2014 11:41 PM CDT
The event definitely fits into a good niche. And I agree entirely with what you've said here (including the part about deepening, of course!)

>As I said above, I'd also love to see a different event with more vanity offerings like custom spell preps, tattoos, etcetera... but this is quite well-done for what it offers, from my first experience.

Yeah! I've found feature alterations in particular quite difficult to come by (and always like more custom tattoos). Oh the vanity!



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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 06/30/2014 09:06 AM CDT
>>Yeah! I've found feature alterations in particular quite difficult to come by (and always like more custom tattoos). Oh the vanity!

Depending how this portion of the event is received, rotating to different services is a hopeful plan. Features and tattoos can take a little bit more time to complete, and sometimes the requests are way too out there. So we'd have to adjust quantity of tickets and length of time the event is open.

Things like custom spell preps, signatures, etc, all those require QC, and are better off at other venues (like EG).



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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 07/02/2014 09:23 AM CDT

I agree with Crux. It was worth it with getting my greathelm lightened and then prettied up to match my armor plus deepening my cape. I only wish it could have lasted a few more hours to enjoy more gambling with some folks - granted there's the casino at four winds, but still. Dragonbones would have been icing on the cake. Thank you for the fun time.
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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 07/03/2014 06:41 PM CDT
Ditto - this event suits me perfectly, thank you!
Practically no lines and a little bit of gambling on the side, I love it :)

Signed up again for this weekend.
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Re: Albatross Riverboat Excursions 07/05/2014 10:52 PM CDT
<When we deepen something, we tend to increase the capacity about 10% until it hits its max, which is in proportion to its base weight. That's why we have some players that know you need to deepen X amount of times before you should start lightening it.>

Wyrom, I have never figured out light/deep and how to tackle it. I always thought that if you did a lot of deepening you would eventually be stuck with the starting weight. And that if you did a lot of lightening you would eventually be stuck with the starting capacity. I always favored having something lighter with less capacity than having something heavier with more capacity so I always just lighten my things. Am I hurting myself? Could I have deeper items at the same ending weight if I was deepening things a little first and then lightening them? What is the ratio that gm's use to figure max capacity from base weight? Also, does the analyze verb show that something is max deep but not max light yet? Thx
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