The lag issues are more related to Guild Night than Reim hunters. It's when both are combined that it is quite noticeable.

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Wyrom, PM

>> It's when both are combined that it is quite noticeable.

If that's the case, then it does make sense for one or the other to move, at least until a long-term fix can be put into place.

>If that's the case, then it does make sense for one or the other to move, at least until a long-term fix can be put into place.

I wouldn't be opposed to the official guild night time moving around quarterly or every 6 months to benefit more of a variety of people, even changing the time of day (maybe sometimes daytimes on weekends, or going later in the night on weekdays), but I know that changing days/times confuses a lot of people and might result in less help for those trying to advance.

Don't give them any ideas...

Wyrom says, "Ordim is the reason savants won't be coded as well."

Re: Wyrom - I'm glad to hear this is being worked on and hope a solution comes quickly. I have to ask: do you have an idea of the ballpark date we can expect this? Weeks, months, years?

Re: Whirlin - Thanks for your mature responses. I didn't know that you guys had an event every night. I'm still not clear whether you're saying that HotA server stress is the same every single night or if it's present every night with a spike on Wednesdays. If the latter, then I would disagree that changing the date doesn't address any concerns. I'm not aware of any weekly event that is comparable to Guild Night in either benefits or participation. For those us unwashed, uncapped masses that are trying to slog our way through the guilds it's a beacon in the wilderness. That being said, I'd have no problem if Guild Night was moved or altered rather than HotA. Here's hoping Simu swoops down with a solution sooner than later and renders all of this moot.

>I didn't know that you guys had an event every night. I'm still not clear whether you're saying that HotA server stress is the same every single night or if it's present every night with a spike on Wednesdays.

the difference, unless I'm mistaken, is that on Wednesdays they stay in one room, building up a pile of junk/treasure, with more people than other nights, and on other nights they progress through the quest in a more timely fashion and don't build up the same number of items on the ground.

please correct me and I apologize if I am wrong. Here are the relevant parts of the event descriptions from the calendar:

Capped Reim Farming (Wed):
>This run will not focus on progression, but will enable participants to stay in the first area, and burn as many charges of Reim orbs as they want! Gather up that Ethereal Scrip!

Weekly capped Reiming (Tue):
>We will begin progression at 8:45 promptly, and move to clear the instance quickly.

>> Could it be the extra couple people in Reim? Possibly, but a small increase shouldn't see this much lag get introduced. That is indicative of a larger problem somewhere or a cascading effect on the backend that we can't see.

Every combat action taken by every person in the room has to be sent to every person in the room. When you're alone, that's just you, so you generate N Messages, and they're sent to 1 Person. But when you have multiple people in the room, the messaging is sent to each and every one of them, so basically it turns it into N * M.

Additionally, if those people start firing AoEs, each action they take generates L targets. Since the spawns were open ended to number of people, you get L * N * M. Additionally, All the creature actions have to be sent to every player.

I don't know the numbers, but if you had say 20 creatures and 30 players each generating about 10 messages per combat period, that gives you a burdern of 6000. If those same 30 players were spread out, with even just one creature each, then the burden would be 300.

This is a huge simplification, but essentially it's very common in any computer scenario to have non-linear growth. Basically, when multiple people are in a room, they each consume an amount of resources equal to the resources that would have been consumed by ALL of them in an individual combat. Each.

This is why most MMO's never allow more than 25 people to be on a raid. GS May be simpler than a modern MMO, but in terms of data throughput, you'd be surprised to find that it probably generates JUST as much.

They blew out the NIC.

That being said, no player is doing anything "wrong." but something has to be adjusted because server instability is bad for everybody.

Dont fret guys, they've nerf reim so we're getting like 5 spawns for 17+ people, we're talking about coming to a hunting area near you in place of Reim that will fix everything right?

Only you've already jumped to nerfing spawns in Reim. so what is it?

Some spells hit everything in the room, simultaneously. It's one thing for these to hit 10 or 20 critters in an invasion, but for them to hit 50 or 60 at a time is probably not a wise design. There used to be more of them, or more frequently used, as far as I know.

In support of Wyrom and Staff, all Ranger guild activities have been suspended.

Blade Aurach

I'm working on the script, but a large, last minute batch of EG script QC has been my priority.

ASGM Sleken

Any update on the goodiebags? I paid for these things at the beginning of July.

I posted over on the Simucon forums. I'm trying very hard to get the distribution for everything but the scripted item setup this week. I'm only going to post future updates over there outside of an announcement when the distribution is ready.

ASGM Sleken

It says he's trying to get the items out to people except for the scripted one which is taking time. He hoped for the 5th, then posted maybe the 6th. I didn't see anything after that.

Josh

Thanks for the link. I found a couple of other threads that were related to this but could never find the actual thread being used to discuss it.