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RORN
Re: Lack of DS for single training weapon users
06/26/2013 03:54 PM CDT
My 43rd level caster healer can do in one or two monsters very quickly before his mana runs low and he has to go sit 8 to 14 minutes to recharge mana. Lack of endurance while spellhunting is his one fault. It's now get bored sitting in TS, cast my ds spells, script to the glacier, do in a couple monsters, script back to TS, and wait for mana to regen, rinse and repeat.
Melee hunt or spell hunt, both have their pros and cons. This morning I ran into a frost giant that easily warded nearly all my spells, left me wishing I could just pull one of my bastard swords and whittle it to death <rolls eyes>. I still hear my swords in the locker snickering at times like this <g>.
ETANNIDOMHNAILL
Re: Lack of DS for single training weapon users
06/26/2013 04:07 PM CDT
A huge part of success as a caster, or any character for that matter, is to find critters that best suit your abilities. If a critter isn't doing well for your strategy, try a new strategy to see if it works better. Failing that, go looking for other critters that suits well. For example, glacier critters tend to be very weak against fire, so try fire spirit. I can also say from experience that at level 43 I was obliterating baesrukha - level 42 - and venturing into trali - levels 44 or 46. Bone shatter worked really well on them and I was frying regularly.
Gretchen
Meeting Nilandia: http://gsguide.wikia.com/wiki/Nilandia
Nilandia's GS4 Info Repository: http://www.nilandia.com
AIM: Lady Nilandia
Gretchen
Meeting Nilandia: http://gsguide.wikia.com/wiki/Nilandia
Nilandia's GS4 Info Repository: http://www.nilandia.com
AIM: Lady Nilandia
VANKRASN39
Re: Lack of DS for single training weapon users
06/26/2013 04:13 PM CDT
your training:
Armor Use..........................| 40 8
Physical Fitness...................| 145 45
Arcane Symbols.....................| 145 45
Magic Item Use.....................| 145 45
Spell Aiming.......................| 190 90
Harness Power......................| 143 43
Spirit Mana Control................| 105 25
Spiritual Lore - Blessings.........| 50 10
Spiritual Lore - Summoning.........| 90 20
Mental Lore - Telepathy............| 90 20
Mental Lore - Transformation.......| 142 42
Survival...........................| 145 45
Perception.........................| 145 45
Climbing...........................| 50 10
Swimming...........................| 25 5
First Aid..........................| 145 45
Spell Lists
Major Spiritual....................| 25
Spell Lists
Minor Spiritual....................| 30
Spell Lists
Empath.............................| 46
If you want to be an effective hunter, get rid of the transformation lore ranks and use the points for mental mana control and more empath spell, you can also shave 10 ranks each off of Survival, MIU and arcane symbols. My empath sucks at hunting because she's trained to be a healer like you.
Armor Use..........................| 40 8
Physical Fitness...................| 145 45
Arcane Symbols.....................| 145 45
Magic Item Use.....................| 145 45
Spell Aiming.......................| 190 90
Harness Power......................| 143 43
Spirit Mana Control................| 105 25
Spiritual Lore - Blessings.........| 50 10
Spiritual Lore - Summoning.........| 90 20
Mental Lore - Telepathy............| 90 20
Mental Lore - Transformation.......| 142 42
Survival...........................| 145 45
Perception.........................| 145 45
Climbing...........................| 50 10
Swimming...........................| 25 5
First Aid..........................| 145 45
Spell Lists
Major Spiritual....................| 25
Spell Lists
Minor Spiritual....................| 30
Spell Lists
Empath.............................| 46
If you want to be an effective hunter, get rid of the transformation lore ranks and use the points for mental mana control and more empath spell, you can also shave 10 ranks each off of Survival, MIU and arcane symbols. My empath sucks at hunting because she's trained to be a healer like you.
ARMELLE-TRIVA
Re: Lack of DS for single training weapon users
06/26/2013 05:40 PM CDT
>I'll likely add the 10 MOC back in the future since I'm now finding once again that when a 3rd or 4th opponent wanders into a room I do take harder hits than I had been.
Once again, I stress that it's not worth it. Your fire spirit will splash just fine with lores, which are also useful for many other things. As for force-on-force defense, tactics work better than throwing 150/100 TPs at it. That is one heck of a lot of useful other things you forgo for no good reason.
Tactic 1: Just hunt in guarded. You'll barely notice any difference. I hunt almost exclusively from guarded and Nilandia has posted that she does too. I have a macro for fire spirit, just like most wizards have: stance o\rincant 111\rstance d\r. That will put me in offensive, cast it, and put me back in guarded in a less than a second. Unfortunately, it doesn't work for channeled spells, since they have hard RT (hence the above).
Tactic 2: Don't take on 3 or 4 critters. Walk away. Simple as that. Well worth it for saving 150/100 TPs!
~Lyradie
>With a startled yelp, a young elven child suddenly tumbles from somewhere above you, landing gracelessly in a pile of refuse!
Once again, I stress that it's not worth it. Your fire spirit will splash just fine with lores, which are also useful for many other things. As for force-on-force defense, tactics work better than throwing 150/100 TPs at it. That is one heck of a lot of useful other things you forgo for no good reason.
Tactic 1: Just hunt in guarded. You'll barely notice any difference. I hunt almost exclusively from guarded and Nilandia has posted that she does too. I have a macro for fire spirit, just like most wizards have: stance o\rincant 111\rstance d\r. That will put me in offensive, cast it, and put me back in guarded in a less than a second. Unfortunately, it doesn't work for channeled spells, since they have hard RT (hence the above).
Tactic 2: Don't take on 3 or 4 critters. Walk away. Simple as that. Well worth it for saving 150/100 TPs!
~Lyradie
>With a startled yelp, a young elven child suddenly tumbles from somewhere above you, landing gracelessly in a pile of refuse!
RORN
Re: Lack of DS for single training weapon users
06/26/2013 06:18 PM CDT
"If you want to be an effective hunter, get rid of the transformation lore ranks and use the points for mental mana control and more empath spell, you can also shave 10 ranks each off of Survival, MIU and arcane symbols. My empath sucks at hunting because she's trained to be a healer like you."
The healing part is what I've most enjoyed about Gemstone. After a day at work it was nice to come home and play a laid back game helping others with an occasional trip out into the wilds if I was inclined to thump on something. The Healing setup comes first, hunting ability is second.
I may go back to THW melee, not been a good day for getting spells to hit. Apparently the RNG has an attitude today. At least with a sword I can keep on attacking if I want. As a spellhunter, once your mana is gone, your done casting and done hunting and back to sitting and <sigh> waiting.
The healing part is what I've most enjoyed about Gemstone. After a day at work it was nice to come home and play a laid back game helping others with an occasional trip out into the wilds if I was inclined to thump on something. The Healing setup comes first, hunting ability is second.
I may go back to THW melee, not been a good day for getting spells to hit. Apparently the RNG has an attitude today. At least with a sword I can keep on attacking if I want. As a spellhunter, once your mana is gone, your done casting and done hunting and back to sitting and <sigh> waiting.
RORN
Re: Lack of DS for single training weapon users
06/26/2013 07:19 PM CDT
Any thoughts on this for a return to primarily melee fighting? THW (to do max damage when the attack hits) with 24 ranks of Cman for +12 AS and it's defensive effect vs monster Cman (likely be 3 ranks of disarm). Lores and such to benefit Empathic Assault as a first strike against living targets. Back to the basic spell set for now since spells will return to being a secondary attack style.
A fourth Fixskills potion? <chuckle> I may get a Christmas card from Simutronics this year at this rate. :)
Armor Use..........................| 8
Combat Maneuvers...................| 24
Two-Handed Weapons.................| 45
Physical Fitness...................| 45
Arcane Symbols.....................| 40
Magic Item Use.....................| 40
Spell Aiming.......................| 90
Harness Power......................| 43
Mental Mana Control................| 30
Spirit Mana Control................| 25
Spiritual Lore - Blessings.........| 10
Spiritual Lore - Summoning.........| 20
Mental Lore - Telepathy............| 20
Mental Lore - Transformation.......| 24
Perception.........................| 40
Climbing...........................| 10
Swimming...........................| 5
First Aid..........................| 79
Spell Lists
Major Spiritual....................| 19
Spell Lists
Minor Spiritual....................| 20
Spell Lists
Empath.............................| 43
A fourth Fixskills potion? <chuckle> I may get a Christmas card from Simutronics this year at this rate. :)
Armor Use..........................| 8
Combat Maneuvers...................| 24
Two-Handed Weapons.................| 45
Physical Fitness...................| 45
Arcane Symbols.....................| 40
Magic Item Use.....................| 40
Spell Aiming.......................| 90
Harness Power......................| 43
Mental Mana Control................| 30
Spirit Mana Control................| 25
Spiritual Lore - Blessings.........| 10
Spiritual Lore - Summoning.........| 20
Mental Lore - Telepathy............| 20
Mental Lore - Transformation.......| 24
Perception.........................| 40
Climbing...........................| 10
Swimming...........................| 5
First Aid..........................| 79
Spell Lists
Major Spiritual....................| 19
Spell Lists
Minor Spiritual....................| 20
Spell Lists
Empath.............................| 43
ALUVIUS
Re: Lack of DS for single training weapon users
06/26/2013 09:44 PM CDT
You sort of want to do it all with the last build and that means you don't really end up doing anything all that well.
I think your desire to be a better healer has better synergy with a pure casting build. Are you using your society power to regain mana when you hunt? Take wands with you, there's no penalty to holding one in your left hand with a runestaff in your right. I'd keep working on tactics before burning another fixskills.
If you really do want to swing a weapon then you'd be better off going fully 1x in CM, I'd suggest Feint over Disarm for now. Feint, disabling spell, swing. You sort of need to go all in with a weapon empath build. Drop lores that don't help combat, think about going up to heavier armors, maybe 2x PF.
VANKRASN39
Re: Lack of DS for single training weapon users
06/26/2013 10:12 PM CDT
>You sort of want to do it all with the last build and that means you don't really end up doing anything all that well.
he cannot accept that he has to make choices, except the one to keep buying fixskills. good for Simu at least
ETANNIDOMHNAILL
Re: Lack of DS for single training weapon users
06/26/2013 10:38 PM CDT
Honestly, an empath training in weapons has very little left over to spend on healing ability. A spell-caster is far more able to be a skilled healer than a melee fighter. If you're having mana issues in your 40's, you're having tactics or training issues, not issues with the build itself. I was more than capable of frying with my own mana in that level range, so I can tell you with certainty that it is very possible to be self-sufficient as a caster.
As already mentioned, make sure you're using every resource at your disposal. Use society abilities, if any. Scrolls can be invoked one-handed if you have enough skill, and scrolls and wands can be used in the left hand with no DS penalty. Stock up on scrolls with any defensive spells you need, and before you use them, take them to a sorcerer who can infuse them to add more charges. Lyradie's advice for tactics is also sound. Stay in guarded whenever possible, and avoid swarms. Know your limits, and stay within them.
Based on your posted training, I can make the following recommendations:
- Double train in harness power. You'll get a bunch more mana to use for hunting, which will make things a lot easier.
- Single train in spirit and mental mana controls. The new MANA abilities are very helpful, and the mental control will boost your bone shatter.
- Single train in summoning lore. Helps a few of your attack spells and will eventually give a bunch of helpful utilities.
- Drop your transformation lore until your sum total of transformation and telepathy are 1x, keeping the 20 ranks of telepathy. Mental lores, like spells, are all totaled together in determining skill costs, and going over single is entirely too expensive.
- Drop all of your survival and bring your perception down to 30 ranks. You don't need any more.
- Up your first aid to 2x. You'll be skinning just as well as when you had survival, plus you'll be able to eat herbs faster. It's also a lot cheaper.
- If you have any points left over, dump them into empath spells until you have 21 more ranks than you do levels. More CS means your spells hit harder, which is always good.
Gretchen
Meeting Nilandia: http://gsguide.wikia.com/wiki/Nilandia
Nilandia's GS4 Info Repository: http://www.nilandia.com
AIM: Lady Nilandia
As already mentioned, make sure you're using every resource at your disposal. Use society abilities, if any. Scrolls can be invoked one-handed if you have enough skill, and scrolls and wands can be used in the left hand with no DS penalty. Stock up on scrolls with any defensive spells you need, and before you use them, take them to a sorcerer who can infuse them to add more charges. Lyradie's advice for tactics is also sound. Stay in guarded whenever possible, and avoid swarms. Know your limits, and stay within them.
Based on your posted training, I can make the following recommendations:
- Double train in harness power. You'll get a bunch more mana to use for hunting, which will make things a lot easier.
- Single train in spirit and mental mana controls. The new MANA abilities are very helpful, and the mental control will boost your bone shatter.
- Single train in summoning lore. Helps a few of your attack spells and will eventually give a bunch of helpful utilities.
- Drop your transformation lore until your sum total of transformation and telepathy are 1x, keeping the 20 ranks of telepathy. Mental lores, like spells, are all totaled together in determining skill costs, and going over single is entirely too expensive.
- Drop all of your survival and bring your perception down to 30 ranks. You don't need any more.
- Up your first aid to 2x. You'll be skinning just as well as when you had survival, plus you'll be able to eat herbs faster. It's also a lot cheaper.
- If you have any points left over, dump them into empath spells until you have 21 more ranks than you do levels. More CS means your spells hit harder, which is always good.
Gretchen
Meeting Nilandia: http://gsguide.wikia.com/wiki/Nilandia
Nilandia's GS4 Info Repository: http://www.nilandia.com
AIM: Lady Nilandia
RORN
Re: Lack of DS for single training weapon users
06/26/2013 11:00 PM CDT
"You sort of want to do it all with the last build and that means you don't really end up doing anything all that well."
<chuckles> I've been noticing that wandering G4. :)
"I think your desire to be a better healer has better synergy with a pure casting build. Are you using your society power to regain mana when you hunt? Take wands with you, there's no penalty to holding one in your left hand with a runestaff in your right. I'd keep working on tactics before burning another fixskills."
I carry 15 or 20 wands, Gold & Metal that I can use up without their crumbling, and pale thanot for putting monsters on the ground to drop their DS. I've got specific macros set up for using the thanot wands. The other wands macro needs a letter entered to specify what wand to pull out. I do recharging and wand topping off at the Moon Chamber. I've rarely used the Voln mana symbol. Seems to be a bit of an expensive tradeoff to use as a normal thing.
<chuckles> I've been noticing that wandering G4. :)
"I think your desire to be a better healer has better synergy with a pure casting build. Are you using your society power to regain mana when you hunt? Take wands with you, there's no penalty to holding one in your left hand with a runestaff in your right. I'd keep working on tactics before burning another fixskills."
I carry 15 or 20 wands, Gold & Metal that I can use up without their crumbling, and pale thanot for putting monsters on the ground to drop their DS. I've got specific macros set up for using the thanot wands. The other wands macro needs a letter entered to specify what wand to pull out. I do recharging and wand topping off at the Moon Chamber. I've rarely used the Voln mana symbol. Seems to be a bit of an expensive tradeoff to use as a normal thing.
RORN
Re: Lack of DS for single training weapon users
06/26/2013 11:43 PM CDT
O.k., I've got this template set up to happen. Figuring I spend about one day per week in game, this set of changes would take around a year to happen so it will get a fixskills potion. Any further adjustments before I make it happen?
I've got Summoning at 35 instead of 45 because I want the Untrammel effect 10 Blessing gives. Mental & Spiritual mana Controls are set to give me maximum mana regen and can be adjusted to 1x in the next five levels. I had enough points left for 10 additional Empath spell ranks.
Armor Use..........................| 8
Physical Fitness...................| 45
Arcane Symbols.....................| 45
Magic Item Use.....................| 45
Spell Aiming.......................| 90
Harness Power......................| 90
Mental Mana Control................| 50
Spirit Mana Control................| 40
Spiritual Lore - Blessings.........| 10
Spiritual Lore - Summoning.........| 35
Mental Lore - Telepathy............| 20
Mental Lore - Transformation.......| 24
Perception.........................| 30
Climbing...........................| 10
Swimming...........................| 5
First Aid..........................| 90
Spell Lists
Major Spiritual....................| 19
Spell Lists
Minor Spiritual....................| 20
Spell Lists
Empath.............................| 53
I've got Summoning at 35 instead of 45 because I want the Untrammel effect 10 Blessing gives. Mental & Spiritual mana Controls are set to give me maximum mana regen and can be adjusted to 1x in the next five levels. I had enough points left for 10 additional Empath spell ranks.
Armor Use..........................| 8
Physical Fitness...................| 45
Arcane Symbols.....................| 45
Magic Item Use.....................| 45
Spell Aiming.......................| 90
Harness Power......................| 90
Mental Mana Control................| 50
Spirit Mana Control................| 40
Spiritual Lore - Blessings.........| 10
Spiritual Lore - Summoning.........| 35
Mental Lore - Telepathy............| 20
Mental Lore - Transformation.......| 24
Perception.........................| 30
Climbing...........................| 10
Swimming...........................| 5
First Aid..........................| 90
Spell Lists
Major Spiritual....................| 19
Spell Lists
Minor Spiritual....................| 20
Spell Lists
Empath.............................| 53
VANKRASN39
RORN
Re: Lack of DS for single training weapon users
06/27/2013 12:06 AM CDT
"::sigh::"
That last template is adjusted per ETANNIDOMHNAILL's post with a couple of changes. I finally decided to take advice from someone with experience who listed specific changes. Are my two adjustments to it bad enough to rate a sigh?
If there is something with the template that looks wrong to you, please tell me what it is. These fixskills are about three months playtime a crack.
VANKRASN39
Re: Lack of DS for single training weapon users
06/27/2013 12:17 AM CDT
you're still only 2x in spells and only 8 over in the empath spell ranks.
RORN
Re: Lack of DS for single training weapon users
06/27/2013 01:15 AM CDT
Armor Use..........................| 8
Physical Fitness...................| 45
Arcane Symbols.....................| 40
Magic Item Use.....................| 40
Spell Aiming.......................| 90
Harness Power......................| 68
Mental Mana Control................| 30
Spirit Mana Control................| 25
Spiritual Lore - Blessings.........| 10
Spiritual Lore - Summoning.........| 30
Mental Lore - Telepathy............| 20
Mental Lore - Transformation.......| 24
Perception.........................| 30
Climbing...........................| 10
Swimming...........................| 5
First Aid..........................| 90
Spell Lists
Major Spiritual....................| 19
Spell Lists
Minor Spiritual....................| 20
Spell Lists
Empath.............................| 64
This puts his 43rd level hide the 21 above level on Empath ranks and leaves 1.5x on Harness Power.
CS = 43*3 + (43*1 + 21*0.75) + (19*0.333 + 20*0.333)+ (16 + 25)/2 = 221
Let me know if I mess something up shifting points trying for a best of both template idea.
I'm calling it a night. :)
ARMELLE-TRIVA
Re: Lack of DS for single training weapon users
06/27/2013 04:43 AM CDT
You're going to see a huge improvement in hunting with that build. It's great.
Just one personal nitpicky thing, which you can choose to ignore: physical fitness helps with a lot of systems and is extremely cheap for an empath. http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Fitness
You could drop down a spell or two, and/or some transformation lore and harness power (at your level 43 extra mana may not matter too much), to double it. If you'd rather stay put with everything, the painful spell training of +21 and wanting nifty stuff too will be over soon, at which time you can start pumping it up. But you're getting to the level that maneuver attacks will start to become annoying, so it's worth soliciting other opinions about it I think.
~Lyradie
>With a startled yelp, a young elven child suddenly tumbles from somewhere above you, landing gracelessly in a pile of refuse!
Just one personal nitpicky thing, which you can choose to ignore: physical fitness helps with a lot of systems and is extremely cheap for an empath. http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Fitness
You could drop down a spell or two, and/or some transformation lore and harness power (at your level 43 extra mana may not matter too much), to double it. If you'd rather stay put with everything, the painful spell training of +21 and wanting nifty stuff too will be over soon, at which time you can start pumping it up. But you're getting to the level that maneuver attacks will start to become annoying, so it's worth soliciting other opinions about it I think.
~Lyradie
>With a startled yelp, a young elven child suddenly tumbles from somewhere above you, landing gracelessly in a pile of refuse!
RORN
Re: Lack of DS for single training weapon users
06/27/2013 10:14 AM CDT
At the moment I've dropped down one Empath rank and dumped the Transformation Lore, which I'm going to hate TS healing wise, and again have 2x Harness Power as a tradeoff. I had 2x PF a few levels back and dropping it back down didn't seem to have much effect at that level. Getting it back up to 2x is a future goal, though paying the 3x spell cost and 2x Harness Power cost is going to crimp that a bit. Hopefully if we see a G5, they'll just combine ptp & mtp so we don't lose so many ptp points shifting them to mtp for the pure character classes to make all the mtp requiring lores less costly to train.
KRAKII
Re: Lack of DS for single training weapon users
06/27/2013 10:33 AM CDT
"combine ptp & mtp" -- Rorn
Unlikely, since the single-point system was what we moved away from in the deICE (when we had one kind, "development points" [and we liked it, uphill, in the snow, yada yada]).
Unlikely, since the single-point system was what we moved away from in the deICE (when we had one kind, "development points" [and we liked it, uphill, in the snow, yada yada]).
SPYRIDONM1
Re: Lack of DS for single training weapon users
06/27/2013 10:45 AM CDT
| Major Spiritual...19 |
| Minor Spiritual...20 |
| Empath Base.....64 |
| This puts his 43rd level hide the 21 above level on Empath ranks and leaves 1.5x on Harness Power. |
| CS = 43*3 + (43*1 + 21*0.75) + (19*0.333 + 20*0.333)+ (16 + 25)/2 = 221 |
| Let me know if I mess something up shifting points trying for a best of both template idea. - RORN |
1) Only the Wisdom bonus is added when calculating Empath CS.
2) Ranks 1 to 20 above level add 0.75 CS per rank.
3) Ranks 21 to 60 above level add 0.50 CS per rank.
4) Ranks 61 to 100 above level add 0.25 CS per rank.
(43 * 3) + (43 * 1) + rd(20 * 0.75) + rd(1 * 0.50) + ceil(19/3) + ceil(20/3) + Wisdom Bonus
(129 + 43 + 15 + 1 + 7 + 7) = 202
CS w/64 empath ranks = 202 + Wisdom Bonus
CS w/63 empath ranks = 201 + Wisdom Bonus
CS w/61 empath ranks = 200 + Wisdom Bonus
Mark
ALUVIUS
Re: Lack of DS for single training weapon users
06/27/2013 02:33 PM CDT
I think that build will be a better hunter. I wouldn't drop any combat abilities to pick up 2x pf at this point, any extra tp's should go first to more empath spells.
If you only play once a week you could try migrating a few skills at a time and just leave your character logged into the game at a table using ;keep alive.
LORDEVARIN
Re: Lack of DS for single training weapon users
06/27/2013 02:42 PM CDT
I was wondering how I suddenly had 3 pages of unread posts in this folder...
!>tell child to be quiet
The child cries, "I don't wanna!"
!>tell child to be quiet
The child cries, "I don't wanna!"
GS4-VANAH
Re: Lack of DS for single training weapon users
06/27/2013 02:49 PM CDT
Moving this thread here out of the Game Balance folder!
~Vanah
~Vanah
TROUBLE13
Re: Lack of DS for single training weapon users
06/27/2013 04:33 PM CDT
It is all Vanah's fault! Should have known.
Taerl (at level 47), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Two Weapon Combat..................| 5 1
Brawling...........................| 5 1
Physical Fitness...................| 198 98
Harness Power......................| 147 47
Mental Mana Control................| 149 49
Mental Lore - Manipulation.........| 5 1
Perception.........................| 149 49
Climbing...........................| 149 49
First Aid..........................| 149 49
Trading............................| 122 31
Spell Lists
Major Spiritual....................| 28
Spell Lists
Minor Spiritual....................| 30
Spell Lists
Empath.............................| 82
Race: Halfling Profession: Empath (not shown)
Gender: Male Age: 0 Expr: 2317113 Level: 47
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 97 (8) ... 97 (8)
Constitution (CON): 82 (26) ... 82 (26)
Dexterity (DEX): 86 (33) ... 86 (33)
Agility (AGI): 86 (28) ... 86 (28)
Discipline (DIS): 84 (12) ... 84 (12)
Aura (AUR): 86 (13) ... 86 (13)
Logic (LOG): 84 (22) ... 84 (22)
Intuition (INT): 60 (15) ... 60 (15)
Wisdom (WIS): 79 (14) ... 79 (14)
Influence (INF): 82 (11) ... 82 (11)
That is my empaths stats and skills. I just recently added 1 rank of brawling, two weapon combat, and manipulation. The first two add to his defense, and if I remember rightly that 1 rank of manipulation should give me the chance for instant kills, I know it won't be a large chance but it will be there. Haven't added hunted him yet with those changes though. Thinking about it and seeing how he is in CoL I could also drop 12 spells, which would only lower his CS by 6, to double in harness power and gain about 100 mana for hunting. Probably be worth it to do that and something to ponder but I also never really feel that he is lacking in mana either. I cheat and make sure he has wizard spells when hunting but he could also do without them and be just fine, especially if he picked up a runestaff for added defense.
Taerl (at level 47), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Two Weapon Combat..................| 5 1
Brawling...........................| 5 1
Physical Fitness...................| 198 98
Harness Power......................| 147 47
Mental Mana Control................| 149 49
Mental Lore - Manipulation.........| 5 1
Perception.........................| 149 49
Climbing...........................| 149 49
First Aid..........................| 149 49
Trading............................| 122 31
Spell Lists
Major Spiritual....................| 28
Spell Lists
Minor Spiritual....................| 30
Spell Lists
Empath.............................| 82
Race: Halfling Profession: Empath (not shown)
Gender: Male Age: 0 Expr: 2317113 Level: 47
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 97 (8) ... 97 (8)
Constitution (CON): 82 (26) ... 82 (26)
Dexterity (DEX): 86 (33) ... 86 (33)
Agility (AGI): 86 (28) ... 86 (28)
Discipline (DIS): 84 (12) ... 84 (12)
Aura (AUR): 86 (13) ... 86 (13)
Logic (LOG): 84 (22) ... 84 (22)
Intuition (INT): 60 (15) ... 60 (15)
Wisdom (WIS): 79 (14) ... 79 (14)
Influence (INF): 82 (11) ... 82 (11)
That is my empaths stats and skills. I just recently added 1 rank of brawling, two weapon combat, and manipulation. The first two add to his defense, and if I remember rightly that 1 rank of manipulation should give me the chance for instant kills, I know it won't be a large chance but it will be there. Haven't added hunted him yet with those changes though. Thinking about it and seeing how he is in CoL I could also drop 12 spells, which would only lower his CS by 6, to double in harness power and gain about 100 mana for hunting. Probably be worth it to do that and something to ponder but I also never really feel that he is lacking in mana either. I cheat and make sure he has wizard spells when hunting but he could also do without them and be just fine, especially if he picked up a runestaff for added defense.
GS4-AULIS
Re: Lack of DS for single training weapon users
06/27/2013 05:02 PM CDT
Each rank of Harness Power after ranks = your level only adds 1 more mana per a rank. So if you're level 47, and you get a 48th rank of harnss power then it is only 1 more max mana for that rank.
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TROUBLE13
Re: Lack of DS for single training weapon users
06/27/2013 05:14 PM CDT
>>Each rank of Harness Power after ranks = your level only adds 1 more mana per a rank. So if you're level 47, and you get a 48th rank of harnss power then it is only 1 more max mana for that rank.
I know this, and if I dropped those 12 spell ranks that would be enough to gain 48 ranks of harness power. Which by itself is just 48 mana but wracking would double that giving me 96 more mana while on a hunt. And if I picked up enough ranks to be fully doubled in harness power that would give me 102 more mana, as well as a bit extra from any mana pulses I had while in the field.
I know this, and if I dropped those 12 spell ranks that would be enough to gain 48 ranks of harness power. Which by itself is just 48 mana but wracking would double that giving me 96 more mana while on a hunt. And if I picked up enough ranks to be fully doubled in harness power that would give me 102 more mana, as well as a bit extra from any mana pulses I had while in the field.
GS4-AULIS
Re: Lack of DS for single training weapon users
06/27/2013 05:19 PM CDT
Darn societal abilities! <raises fist> Kidding, of course.
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ALUVIUS
Re: Lack of DS for single training weapon users
06/27/2013 07:02 PM CDT
Aulis says he's nerfing sign of wracking, light the bat signal!!!1!
RORN
Re: Lack of DS for single training weapon users
06/27/2013 10:59 PM CDT
I gave up the 2nd x of Harness Power and used that huge pile of points to restore the 30 Transformation I just don't want to give up for TS healing, boosted Summoning to 35, boosted Mental Mana Control to 50, and restored that 21st above level Empath rank. I'll make use of the symbol of mana as needed.
Aside from wasting all those points on Transformation to make myself happy while sitting TS, :) anything else stand out as a poor choice?
Armor Use..........................| 8
Physical Fitness...................| 45
Arcane Symbols.....................| 40
Magic Item Use.....................| 40
Spell Aiming.......................| 90
Harness Power......................| 43
Mental Mana Control................| 50
Spirit Mana Control................| 25
Spiritual Lore - Blessings.........| 10
Spiritual Lore - Summoning.........| 35
Mental Lore - Telepathy............| 20
Mental Lore - Transformation.......| 30
Perception.........................| 30
Climbing...........................| 10
Swimming...........................| 5
First Aid..........................| 90
Spell Lists
Major Spiritual....................| 19
Spell Lists
Minor Spiritual....................| 20
Spell Lists
Empath.............................| 64
Aside from wasting all those points on Transformation to make myself happy while sitting TS, :) anything else stand out as a poor choice?
Armor Use..........................| 8
Physical Fitness...................| 45
Arcane Symbols.....................| 40
Magic Item Use.....................| 40
Spell Aiming.......................| 90
Harness Power......................| 43
Mental Mana Control................| 50
Spirit Mana Control................| 25
Spiritual Lore - Blessings.........| 10
Spiritual Lore - Summoning.........| 35
Mental Lore - Telepathy............| 20
Mental Lore - Transformation.......| 30
Perception.........................| 30
Climbing...........................| 10
Swimming...........................| 5
First Aid..........................| 90
Spell Lists
Major Spiritual....................| 19
Spell Lists
Minor Spiritual....................| 20
Spell Lists
Empath.............................| 64
ARMELLE-TRIVA
Re: Lack of DS for single training weapon users
06/28/2013 06:04 AM CDT
Looks wonderful to me! Any other comments would be nitpicking.
I don't think transformation lore was a waste at all. Not only did I like it for healing, I like it a lot for the extra regenerate at 50 ranks. It's saved my life more than once, as well as making warcamp victim healing a breeze. Don't ever feel bad about those transformation ranks!
~Lyradie
>With a startled yelp, a young elven child suddenly tumbles from somewhere above you, landing gracelessly in a pile of refuse!
I don't think transformation lore was a waste at all. Not only did I like it for healing, I like it a lot for the extra regenerate at 50 ranks. It's saved my life more than once, as well as making warcamp victim healing a breeze. Don't ever feel bad about those transformation ranks!
~Lyradie
>With a startled yelp, a young elven child suddenly tumbles from somewhere above you, landing gracelessly in a pile of refuse!
ALUVIUS
Re: Lack of DS for single training weapon users
06/28/2013 09:25 AM CDT
Yeah I certainly think you could hunt with this build, its what folks have been saying about going with a pure hunting build if you want to keep the healing stuff. Unfortunately there's no way to do that effectively with a weapon build which was the problem earlier in the thread.
RORN
Re: Lack of DS for single training weapon users
06/28/2013 09:51 AM CDT
Well you both approve of the changes so I guess I'll have the fixskills delivered now and drink up.
PRICKLIES
Re: Lack of DS for single training weapon users
06/28/2013 12:06 PM CDT
>>Yeah I certainly think you could hunt with this build, its what folks have been saying about going with a pure hunting build if you want to keep the healing stuff. Unfortunately there's no way to do that effectively with a weapon build which was the problem earlier in the thread.
Oh, it's certainly possible to be effective in both. "The healing stuff" doesn't take very many TPs. There are more than enough points to spare from a weapon build to single Transformation, if you're thinking of low healing roundtime. If you wanted to add Blessings for super Troll's Blood, I suppose you might have to sacrifice Web bolt, which would be tragic but manageable.
[Insert here something crotchety about "back in the day," "800s," "no lores," and "uphill both ways to Icemule."]
Oh, it's certainly possible to be effective in both. "The healing stuff" doesn't take very many TPs. There are more than enough points to spare from a weapon build to single Transformation, if you're thinking of low healing roundtime. If you wanted to add Blessings for super Troll's Blood, I suppose you might have to sacrifice Web bolt, which would be tragic but manageable.
[Insert here something crotchety about "back in the day," "800s," "no lores," and "uphill both ways to Icemule."]
ARMELLE-TRIVA
Re: Lack of DS for single training weapon users
06/28/2013 02:13 PM CDT
>[Insert here something crotchety about "back in the day," "800s," "no lores," and "uphill both ways to Icemule."]
Back in the day, it was uphill both ways to Darkstone. There wasn't an Icemule. ;)
~Lyradie
>With a startled yelp, a young elven child suddenly tumbles from somewhere above you, landing gracelessly in a pile of refuse!
Back in the day, it was uphill both ways to Darkstone. There wasn't an Icemule. ;)
~Lyradie
>With a startled yelp, a young elven child suddenly tumbles from somewhere above you, landing gracelessly in a pile of refuse!
KRAKII
Re: Lack of DS for single training weapon users
06/28/2013 03:00 PM CDT
And we called it "Claedesbrim", at that. :)
ALUVIUS
Re: Lack of DS for single training weapon users
06/29/2013 09:47 AM CDT
I guess it depends on the intersection of the meanings of the words effective, possible, efficient, etc, but yeah you could choose to single transformation with a weapon build and still be able to hunt heh.
Its all relative though. When I was young the most effective wizard build was sword and board based and speaking of the castle, when I ran into Estrion outside town one day I was such a fresh player that I didn't know that I shouldn't have ran into Estrion outside town. :)
RORN
Re: Lack of DS for single training weapon users
06/30/2013 10:19 PM CDT
I do have a lot more bang to my spells with this template. My swords don't sound so smug when they snicker now. :)
I am starting a slow shift to get some 2x Harness Power. Still need a touch more mana. Shouldn't be to far to a happy medium.
I am starting a slow shift to get some 2x Harness Power. Still need a touch more mana. Shouldn't be to far to a happy medium.
ALUVIUS
Re: Lack of DS for single training weapon users
07/01/2013 11:37 AM CDT
Once you get your tactics settled down you'll find that empaths are probably the most powerful pure hunting build around (bards don't count!). Heck if you really wanted to you could train to have more spell bolt AS than a wizard lol.
