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How hard do the polearms hit? 02/07/2007 09:56 AM CST

So I know that a lance-base has the highest DF against skin, but I am wondering if this is not true for anything else? I'm fighting spectral warriors in augmented chain, and I am uncertain if my pike is the best weapon, or an awl-pike, naginata, or whatelse might hit harder. I'd feel silly hefting around this big heavy pike if my naginata does just as good against heavy armor.

SPYRIDONM4

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Re: How hard do the polearms hit? 02/07/2007 10:56 AM CST

>So I know that a lance-base has the highest DF against skin, but I am wondering if this is not true for anything else? I'm fighting spectral warriors in augmented chain, and I am uncertain if my pike is the best weapon, or an awl-pike, naginata, or whatelse might hit harder. I'd feel silly hefting around this big heavy pike if my naginata does just as good against heavy armor. -- ARAV

Here is a comparison of the 2hders versus AsG15 - Augmented Chain.
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Weapon	AvD	DF	Base speed	Base weight

Awl-pike	37	0.450	9	8
Halberd	24	0.300	6	9
Hammer of Kai	32	0.350	7	9
Jeddart Axe	32	0.325	7	9
Lance	45	0.475	9	15
Trident	24	0.300	6	12

Note: Base weights are for off-the-shelf weapons and yours may be different.

The lance is the clear winner, damage-wise, followed by the awl-pike. The lance will do significantly more damage than the halberd with equivalent d100 rolls. The AvD alone is equivalent to having an additional +21 enchant bonus.

Mark

ARAV

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Re: How hard do the polearms hit? 02/07/2007 12:31 PM CST

Well, +1... it's a naginata. But that's exactly what I wa slooking for... is there a place to find such information on my own?

FURIESERINIES

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Re: How hard do the polearms hit? 02/07/2007 12:54 PM CST

>Well, +1... it's a naginata. But that's exactly what I wa slooking for... is there a place to find such information on my own?

Here is were you can find a lot of the DF's for the weapons in GS

http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/DF

That hurling half-krolvin ~H2K~

SPYRIDONM4

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Re: How hard do the polearms hit? 02/07/2007 01:13 PM CST

>Well, +1... it's a naginata. But that's exactly what I wa slooking for... is there a place to find such information on my own?

The naginata has the same DF's across the board as the halberd. What the naginata has that the halberd doesn't have is a natural +20 AvD. This is for the new style naginatas. Since the halberd AvD vs augmented chain is 24, the naginata is 44, but they both have the same damage factor of .300 and base speed of 6.

The website "weapon guide" has some of the information but for DF's and a consolidated table your best bet is Krakiipedia.

http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/Polearm_Weapons

Mark

THROGG

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Re: How hard do the polearms hit? 02/07/2007 01:27 PM CST

>>Since the halberd AvD vs augmented chain is 24, the naginata is 44, but they both have the same damage factor of .300 and base speed of 6.<<

Naginatas are better, however, since the increased AvD translates into a higher hit end roll; which in turn can give increased hit severity/damage.

DRIZZT-12

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Re: How hard do the polearms hit? 02/10/2007 05:00 AM CST

If you really want to get technical, a perfectly forged awl-pike will have a better DF than a lance against all armor groups except skin. Although, on chain-type armors, I believe the DF is only a difference of .002.

P.S. It's going to be expensive to buy a perfectly forged awl-pike, sadly. =(

-Alerr, da halfling lancer

THROGG

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Re: How hard do the polearms hit? 02/10/2007 09:27 AM CST

But the AvD on an awl pike is less, resulting in lower end rolls.

ZEPHORE

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Re: How hard do the polearms hit? 02/10/2007 09:40 AM CST

>P.S. It's going to be expensive to buy a perfectly forged awl-pike, sadly. =(

It's not to bad as far as price. Spendel and the alliance made me a perfect imflass awl-pike. Price was certainly reasonable. Now my mage is going to spend the next 3 months taking up the enchant to +32. So the lower AvD compared to a lance won't be an issue.

I had it made for my Paladin, so I'll be getting the permanent flares with it as well. Can't wait.

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THROGG

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Re: How hard do the polearms hit? 02/10/2007 09:53 AM CST

>>Now my mage is going to spend the next 3 months taking up the enchant to +32. So the lower AvD compared to a lance won't be an issue.<<

My paladin uses a 7x lance ... with bonding plasma flares. Eat yer heart out :)

DELPHIUS

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Re: How hard do the polearms hit? 02/10/2007 10:29 AM CST

>If you really want to get technical, a perfectly forged awl-pike will have a better DF than a lance against all armor groups except skin. Although, on chain-type armors, I believe the DF is only a difference of .002.

Assuming that is true(Don't really care to go check it so I will take your word on it), a perfectly forged lance to compare it with, that would probably cost similar, is still better.

Seablade and Seablaede
The Ashrim

Agrees with Icewhite on the Lance issue.

HOFMANNM1

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Re: How hard do the polearms hit? 02/10/2007 10:33 AM CST

Lances can't currently be forged, though.

-Anathemus' player

DELPHIUS

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Re: How hard do the polearms hit? 02/10/2007 10:34 AM CST

>Lances can't currently be forged, though.

Really? Was not aware of that. Obviously I have not tried.

Interesting, throw them on the list with any true thrown weapon then.

Seablade and Seablaede
The Ashrim

ZEPHORE

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Re: How hard do the polearms hit? 02/10/2007 11:18 AM CST

DF Factor

*Pole-arm*	Skin	Soft	Scale	Chain	Plate
Lance	.725	.525	.550	.475	.350
Awl-pike	.600	.550	.575	.450	.350
Perfect Awl-Pike	.636	.583	.610	.477	.371

AvD Factor

*Pole-arm*	Skin	Dbl Leather	Brigandine	Hauberk	Full Plate
Lance	35	35	33	41	32
Awl-pike	15	17	29	33	32
Perfect Awl-Pike	18	20	32	36	35

The real difference seems to be with the AvD, with the lance having a good advantage over the perfect awl-pike vs. skin and leather class, with the awl-pike catching up in the middle then passing the lace vs full plate.

The perfect awl-pike though has a good advantage with the DF factor, being better in all categories except for skin. Overall, not a huge difference between them.

ARCHIMAGO

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Re: How hard do the polearms hit? 02/13/2007 09:22 AM CST

<<Overall, not a huge difference between them.>>

Except that awl-pikes weigh significantly less than lances. My vultite awl-pike weighs in at about six pounds. They're a boon when you have encumbrentially-challenged polearming characters.

Evan

"To pretend, I actually do the thing: I have therefore only pretended to pretend." - Jacques Derrida

ZEPHORE

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Re: How hard do the polearms hit? 02/13/2007 10:38 AM CST

Except that awl-pikes weigh significantly less than lances. My vultite awl-pike weighs in at about six pounds. They're a boon when you have encumbrentially-challenged polearming characters.

Hense why I had mine made from imflass from the alliance. I'm interested to see when my Paladin hits the next RT threshold from AGI and DEX bonus, then take that puppy with a focused m-strike at a critter. I hope the RT for a focused won't be to bad, 7 to 8 seconds hopefully.

HOFMANNM1

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Re: How hard do the polearms hit? 02/13/2007 07:35 PM CST

>Except that awl-pikes weigh significantly less than lances.

7 "pounds" less, standard.

>My vultite awl-pike weighs in at about six pounds.

I'd expect it to be exactly 6 "pounds", if made in accordance with standard figures.

-Anathemus' player

ARCHIMAGO

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Re: How hard do the polearms hit? 02/14/2007 09:41 AM CST

<<I hope the RT for a focused won't be to bad, 7 to 8 seconds hopefully. - Zephore>>

For two focused swings I get 10 seconds, unencumbered. That's with Dex + Agl = 59 bonus. Does mstrike produce the same RT for a focused strike as for an open one? Assuming the same number of strikes, of course.

<<I'd expect it to be exactly 6 "pounds", if made in accordance with standard figures. - Anathemus>>

Yeah, I had just done a quick three weighs of my awl-pike and they all came out at six pounds. I remember seeing it once at five pounds but that was several levels - and ranks of perception - ago. Heh, I've just learned to not speak of numerical matters on these boards in absolute terms unless I'm certain of the facts.

Evan

"To pretend, I actually do the thing: I have therefore only pretended to pretend." - Jacques Derrida

HOFMANNM1

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Re: How hard do the polearms hit? 02/14/2007 02:39 PM CST

>Yeah, I had just done a quick three weighs of my awl-pike and they all came out at six pounds. I remember seeing it once at five pounds but that was several levels - and ranks of perception - ago.

Due to the way the WEIGH mechanics work, getting three readings of "6" in a row almost guarantee that your weapon actually weighs 6 "pounds". Weigh has a 10% error, so it would be extremely unlikely for a 5 pound weapon to get randomized all the way up each time like that. To be honest I hadn't looked into the effects of perception on weighing, but I distinctly remember another character (probably one of Mark's) generating the same results when I first started doing the testing.

-Anathemus' player

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