I have a forged trident in my shop, not a lance but kinda close.


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Last I checked they sold plain lances in the Solhaven arms shop (in North Market Southeast, I believe). I think they also have something like whorl-marked dark ora lances in the dark building along Lornon Way in South 'Haven.

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>>I have a forged trident in my shop, not a lance but kinda close.<<

Grippable weapon, not as hard hitting.

Doesn't one of those undead types in Varunar use lances? Haven't been there in ages, but I sort of recall something of the sort.

Was wondering which one was better (damage output/time) Naginata or Lance (especially if you can only swing a lance in 6 secs and not 5). Thanks,please discuss.

>Lances are slow and ugly... Naginitas are quick and graceful. What matters the most is killing things with style and looking good doing it.


So everyone should go to thrown weapons?

::Hums::

Seablade and Seablaede
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Cause it definitly aint mechanics that causes people to go with them...

>So long as you only throw daggers, chakrams, and hatchets.


I think from that list I might replace Chakrams with Hammer for style...

Or you could just pull a Wulfhen and hurl really oversized things, that definitly has its own style points...

Unfortunatly my rogue does the spears(<--Effort to keep things on topic;) for hurling, but he has a rather nice supply of stilletos for style;)

Seablade and Seablaede
The Ashrim

I doubt that anyone has done a comparison between the two since they changed naginatas.

I can't for the life of me remember who did the original weapon comparisons for GSIII but I'm pretty sure the lance beat the naginata/halberd easily due to its ridiculous AvD and DF across the board.

If you are going purely for damage and can swing the lance in 6 seconds I'm pretty damn sure that it will beat a new style naginata of the same base enchant.

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Might as well jump on the soapbox for a minute.

I am in the extreme and obvious minority in this but personally I think they should either remove the lance from the game, shift it somewhat, or drop the awl-pike base RT to 8.

I still think the original idea of the lance as we have it in GS was for one used on horseback ... which is why it is mechanically set to do so much damage.

One of the great things about using polearms in GS is that we have a weapon for each and every armor type that can do good damage. The awl-pike gets completely ignored by most people as a choice simply because the lance beats it in almost every aspect and has the same RT, which means you don't have to switch weapons with different critters.

Yeah, I know this will never happen but its how I feel anyway. :: shrug ::

There shouldn't be a single weapon that is the best in every combat situation as far as I'm concerned. The only things that occasionally prevent people from using a lance (other than RP and preference) are the physical weight of most lances, the base RT of 9, and the fact that its primary attack is a puncture. All of these issues can be bypassed in one way or another.

Alright, I'm done venting this time around. Feel free to ignore me again. ;)


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>Is it possible for a lance to attack in 1 second?.

It's probably possible with either Haste or Song of Tonis with proper lore training. Without the help of either of those spells, I don't think it's possible to get it under 5 seconds.

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Haste could do it, with enough lore and/or MjE ranks.

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>Ok I can't find my notes; what agi/dex bonus do I need to swing a lance in 5 seconds?

Believe that magic number is 53....8 (-1), 23 (-2), 38 (-3), 53 (-4).

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My Paladin has just picked up a nice lance (she's training in polearms) but her RT is 8. Is that normal with a lance? She's within her 30 day grace period, so I could do some minor tweaking with her stats if necessary if that would decrease her RT. She's a human, currently 5 trainings.

Stats: Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 87 (23) ... 87 (23)
Constitution (CON): 72 (11) ... 72 (11)
Dexterity (DEX): 71 (10) ... 71 (10)
Agility (AGL): 81 (15) ... 81 (15)
Discipline (DIS): 67 (8) ... 67 (8)
Aura (AUR): 51 (0) ... 51 (0)
Logic (LOG): 70 (15) ... 70 (15)
Intuition (INT): 42 (1) ... 42 (1)
Wisdom (WIS): 91 (20) ... 91 (20)
Influence (INF): 42 (-4) ... 42 (-4)

Any suggestions, or is an 8 sec rt just something she's gonna have to live with?

The bottom 4 races on the list are all incabable of using a lance in 5 seconds without some sort of enhancement.

The extra 1 second RT on you is another question. Undertrained for armor is a possibility, as is being encumbered (check that). If neither of those is the case, try an assist.


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You thrust with a skull grafted vultite lance at a rolton!
AS: +149 vs DS: +48 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +3 = +139
... and hit for 38 points of damage!
Left elbow smashed into a thousand pieces.
The rolton collapses to the ground, emits a final bleat, and dies.
Roundtime: 6 sec.
R>
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R>
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> amb kob head
You thrust with a skull grafted vultite lance at a kobold!
AS: +149 vs DS: +52 with AvD: +38 + d100 roll: +12 = +147
... and hit for 45 points of damage!
Well placed strike shatters a rib!
The kobold crumples to a heap on the ground and dies.
Roundtime: 9 sec.<<




"So, what does that green line on the graph represent?"

"Oh, that's the projection of a hypothetical offspring from a union between Sauron and Cruella de Ville; we use that as a baseline for determining character alignment."

What does your armor INSPECT as? It should tell you the class and also what areas it covers.

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Wow! I didn't reach back to previous forums concerning discussions about using the Lance, however I will do so when I have the time.

I've been playing this game for "many" years and just recently decided to try something new and out of the ordinary for me. Built a Pali and decided to try polearms, specifically the lance for one reason. I recalled back about 18 months ago now (time flies) when I was in some minor trouble on the Glacier. This gal rolled on in and assisted my dilemma....with a lance. This was the first time I'd seen a lance being used at all. She used it with a practiced skill and deftness that completely surprised me. That was my inspiration.

My pali is almost at 17 trainings...however even when he was at his 10th, it was simply unbelievable the devastation this weapon inflicts. Yea there is a longer round time, however I'll defeat that eventually. I'm still working and trying to figure things out about this weapon. With that stated however, I'm completely sold on this poker. I'm really looking forward to using it in the future.

I currently wield an elegant golvern lance, striking foes with a 259 AS while maintaining around a 210 DS at full offence (depending upon the spells I'm wearing), lvl 16 pali. My RT is at 8 seconds, 5 with haste. I'm thinking that agility and or Dexterity will mitigate the RT over time?

Experienced thoughts on this please. Thanks much in advance.

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Certainly does, thanks very much for the information.

Which weighs more? Here, unsure, but suspect it may be the lance -- even if it is made out of wood and really is just a beefed up quarter-staff (tapered, wider at the butt) with a tip. This alone might not be relevant, though.

Which applies damage over the broadest area? I'm thinking it's the claid.

Which has the most beneficial crit tables? I'm thinking it's the lance.


It is an interesting question. . . even before you consider damage factor. :)

Doug

As much as I'd like lances made even better, going to have to fall into the side that says they are pretty well done as is. If anything, I think one of the middle speed poles should get some sort of a boost. The 7 second polearms are universally useless when compared to two-handed weapons. The hammer of kai is ripe for natural weighting or armor penetration or something due to the large swinging arc and small point of impact. Certainly a better candidate than the lance anyway.


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