>You may not steal here.

:(

Because Icemule is awesome and stuff.

-Marstreforn-
Icemule Trace Guru
Halfling Guru

Booze would be great.

>Down with sancts everywhere!

>Also, more booze.

I agree 100%, it's practically impossible to find a crowd these days, and when you do it's sancted? Close yer containers and get rid of the sancts!!

Plus, who can argue with more booze?

What rooms are sancted or not in towns are up to the town guru for each of the towns.


~Aulis
Forums Manager
QC'er

PP needs an update of some sort. It wouldn't even have to be any changes to mechanics, a review and more consistent application of permasancts and whatnot across towns would help.

Personally I'd like to see the actual thing we steal (coins, gems, whatever) be created at the time of the theft, not actually taken from another character. There'd have to be some limits and cooldowns and other considerations, but that way targets could choose their level of involvement as well, and if they choose to just ignore it, nothing bad actually happened to them. I think I'll drop that in the what do you want thread now.

DR's Theft Mechanics > Gemstone's.

I'll leave it at that, Starchitin however is pretty spot on with how DR's stealing system works. And well, it's pretty damn amazing at that, especially being able to literally go to an area built for theft, to steal stuff from it.

If people here who love stealing have never heard of DR's Museum, and Theft system in general, I strongly suggest you read about it.

>I think this makes pickpocketing much more challenging than just sitting somewhere everyone gathers. Get creative to find your Marks.

Unfortunately the system design tells us as thieves differently. We gain an advantage in crowds only, low population and earth nodes dictate where we as players rest. Stealing in a one on one situation is essentially playing russian roulette.

Mark/Leash

Stealing at merchants usually feels to close to griefing for me... Your milage may vary.

Interesting. I've never liked pickpocketing--I have three rogues, and none has a single rank in it--but whenever the skill is debated on these boards, the argument is always, "It's not about stealing. It can lead to great RP interaction." But now I see "Stealing in a one on one situation is essentially playing russian roulette," which implies that the goal is to get away with as much as possible and not to get caught. Great RP interaction. So which is it? If pickpocketing is about creating RP, then the increased likelihood of getting caught should not be an issue. If it is about just taking from others, then admit that and stop pretending it is about RP.

--David

"At a moment like this, I can't help but wonder, 'What would Jimmy Buffett do?'"

I don't think that those motivations are mutually exclusive, nor should we be barred from weighing those motivations differently in different situations.

If a rogue wants to pickpocket in crowds. Let the rogue be a rogue, because I personally would pick a pocket in a crowd. I wouldn't steal one on one, but rogues get bonuses for crowds. I'm a warrior but I believe it should be the players ability if he/she wants. It shouldn't be dictated because of whining.

Easy cure = close containers

~Player of Orsu~

<That being said, of the times when I feel particularly evil I do pull out my pick-pocket rogue and have fun trying to get away it, but usually bores me after 2-3 minutes or quickly turns into a confrontation when I inevitably get caught in the act, or a manhunt ensues of which I am forced to hide and flee for my life. But I cannot help but think I had just caused some unpleasantness to more than one or 2 people in the process. Naturally, I almost never do this, and it has been years since I have dabbled in thievery.>

So... you have basically the same response to getting caught that you complained about the thief in the graveyard of having?

If yer looking for RP, don't run. Stand your ground and smile innocently or loudly proclaim your innocence, claim you were trying to feel them up, accuse them of stealing from you then framing you to keep others from suspecting them, or tell them they dropped it and you were just trying to put it back. Sure, pop into the shadows to keep them from attacking you, but keep responding from the shadows as appropriate and pop out into the open occasionally. Heck, if you weren't caught mechanically, keep stealing from them while accusing them of being prejudiced against your race, religion, gender, whatever. Steal from anyone that doesn't side with you too. If they refuse to stop slandering your "good" name, pee on their boots or toss a snowball at their face. If the RP calls for it and your character can't talk their way out of it, let them kill you... it's only a deed and, depending on the circumstances, they'll likely be getting themselves arrested for their trouble.

On the flip side, if you've caught a thief or suspect someone of thieving, don't immediately pull out a blade, prepare a spell, or run to the constable, give them a good hard glare or accuse them of thieving and give them a chance to try to RP it out. You can't expect someone to RP being a thief if you immediately kill them and exit the room or they're sitting in a jail cell. Demand your item back, play with what they give you... you don't have to ACCUSE them right away, if they fail to RP it after 5, 10, or 20 minutes you can still go accuse them.

Both players have to be willing to at least put fourth the effort to RP to allow it to happen, you can't refuse to participate when you're on one end then complain when when the roles are reversed and the other person does the same thing you did.

Starchitin

A severed gnomish hand crawls in on its fingertips and makes a rude gesture before quickly decaying and rotting into dust. A gust of wind quickly scatters the dust.

So... you have basically the same response to getting caught that you complained about the thief in the graveyard of having?

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No. That is not what I said. I said, that a thief attempted to steal, and I mechanically caught him, and he didn't pause for a single second to interact with me otherwise. He didn't role-play anything here, whereas I was fully prepared to do so. And no, I didn't mean pulling out blades, or casting a spell. I was hunting and more focused on that than worrying about a pick-pocket stealing acantha leaf from me. Personally I chuckled to myself and said oh well and continued my hunt. The thief in question never revealed (role-played) himself after the theft attempt, nor was he in the immediate area where I was hunting anymore.

He just passed through, tried to steal and moved on, without a single word. Not sure if that is really role-playing at all.

Secondly, it has been a really long time since I bothered pulling out my pick-pocket, but when I did, I wouldn't exactly run away either. Well, until the spells and swords started raining down on his head... but nevertheless, I would play the hide, and call out names, taunts and whatnot role of him. He has a decidedly nasty evil bent to him, and thus usually provoked people to attack him. He got secret pleasure out of vigilante justice, both ways...

But that is not exactly the same situation of the same thing. On one angle you have a thief instigating a confrontation with another player. In a sense it is just the same as pulling out the blades and attacking, or casting an offensive spell at a non-provoking player. Picking pockets IS an unprovoked attack of sorts on another player. He no more asked to have his pockets picked clean, than to have his head shaved just above the shoulders. It is forced confrontation between players, like I said before the usual reaction to stealing thieves is to chop off fingers, hands or be put to sleep for all to laugh at.

The problem is the pick-pocket has all the justice protecting him, because if anybody does any of those things while in town they AUTOMATICALLY get hit with quite the fine, but the pick-pocket gets nothing until someone takes action against him. Unfortunately the only actions that doesn't penalize the victim in the process is to ACCUSE, or CHALLENGE the pick-pocket.

The key here is that BOTH must be willing to participate, but as you can see in my example the instigator had no desire to role-play, and the victim didn't exactly advertise, HEY STEAL FROM ME PLEASE! So in that sense neither was role-playing at all, and neither one or the other desired to pursue it. I didn't even accuse him when in town, just gave a warning in TSC that a thief was about.

>shrug

Come to think of it I might just have to pull that evil rogue out after all...

--Zizzle