So... I decided to retrain and in my attempts to try find a balance, I find there really isn't one to be had - it's going one route or the other til one far off day a 100 paladin becomes a very old paladin with many a point to spend. Surprisingly, it seems / feels that the CMs do more but to 2x in them, you simply can't - or at least as a THW user. While I managed to 2x in CMs and get the increase of attack and of course the maneuvers themselves, it came at a cost of losing spells, lore, and multi striking ability. However; those can come back in time and then I got to thinking.. what if indeed a 50th circle of Paladin spells does surface that a paladin just simply must have? Interesting enough, just 2xing (as opposed to just 1xing) in CMs took away the need to zealot at all and was much better without it.
I'm not asking for another look at the training point costs (not that I think some are just a little bit of overpriced heh). I'm just wondering the input of others and what they think / experience. I know some go for Wall of Force. Myself? Now I'm just 35 into Paladin spells and 20 in Minor Spirit.
Specifically this is the build atm:
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>skills
Falvicar (at level 100), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 300 200
Combat Maneuvers...................| 300 200
Two-Handed Weapons.................| 300 200
Physical Fitness...................| 302 202
Dodging............................| 201 101
Magic Item Use.....................| 90 20
Harness Power......................| 200 100
Spirit Mana Control................| 105 25
Spiritual Lore - Blessings.........| 5 1
Spiritual Lore - Religion..........| 5 1
Spiritual Lore - Summoning.........| 70 15
Perception.........................| 201 101
Climbing...........................| 140 40
Swimming...........................| 140 40
First Aid..........................| 140 40
Spell Lists
Minor Spiritual....................| 20
Spell Lists
Paladin............................| 35
Training Points: 0 Phy 58 Mnt (130 Mnt converted to Phy)
(Use SKILLS BASE to display unmodified ranks and goals)
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- Kobold in Disguise Falvicar, Blade of the Night
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* Sevynne drops dead at your feet!
* Sevynne just bit the dust!
FALAN
DAID
Re: CMs vs LOre
08/24/2016 05:30 PM CDT
Changing CMANS and Lores around is one of the things I typically do with the annual FIXSKILL at the end of the year if I don't need it for some other reason. Here's this year's build:
>skill
Flail Harvest-Moon the Zealot of Voln.
(at level 61), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 250 150
Combat Maneuvers...................| 163 63
Two-Handed Weapons.................| 225 125
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 120 30
Physical Fitness...................| 163 63
Dodging............................| 163 63
Harness Power......................| 161 61
Spirit Mana Control................| 105 25
Spiritual Lore - Blessings.........| 50 10
Spiritual Lore - Religion..........| 140 40
Spiritual Lore - Summoning.........| 54 11
Perception.........................| 50 10
Climbing...........................| 90 20
Swimming...........................| 50 10
First Aid..........................| 163 63
Spell Lists
Minor Spiritual....................| 8
Spell Lists
Paladin............................| 40
>cman info
Flail, your Combat Maneuver training is as follows:
Skill name Mnemonic Ranks
Specialization I wspec1 2
Surge of Strength surge 3
Tainted Bond tainted 1
Available Combat Maneuver Training Points: 6
The flail is T5 finally so I wanted to try Tainted again. Re-bonding to it still though as I don't play him that much right now.
I thought being near the (former) undead gap, 3x raises per day is okay for RR. That was going pretty well until I moved him to WL to try Reim. Mostly I'm happy with it so far. 1605 is less insane without all my Summoning, but I haven't really missed self-1620. 1617 is pretty strong, though.
>skill
Flail Harvest-Moon the Zealot of Voln.
(at level 61), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 250 150
Combat Maneuvers...................| 163 63
Two-Handed Weapons.................| 225 125
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 120 30
Physical Fitness...................| 163 63
Dodging............................| 163 63
Harness Power......................| 161 61
Spirit Mana Control................| 105 25
Spiritual Lore - Blessings.........| 50 10
Spiritual Lore - Religion..........| 140 40
Spiritual Lore - Summoning.........| 54 11
Perception.........................| 50 10
Climbing...........................| 90 20
Swimming...........................| 50 10
First Aid..........................| 163 63
Spell Lists
Minor Spiritual....................| 8
Spell Lists
Paladin............................| 40
>cman info
Flail, your Combat Maneuver training is as follows:
Skill name Mnemonic Ranks
Specialization I wspec1 2
Surge of Strength surge 3
Tainted Bond tainted 1
Available Combat Maneuver Training Points: 6
The flail is T5 finally so I wanted to try Tainted again. Re-bonding to it still though as I don't play him that much right now.
I thought being near the (former) undead gap, 3x raises per day is okay for RR. That was going pretty well until I moved him to WL to try Reim. Mostly I'm happy with it so far. 1605 is less insane without all my Summoning, but I haven't really missed self-1620. 1617 is pretty strong, though.
