I'm not sure if this question has ever been asked - but since I'm seriously considering making my first square character (yay?), and considering monk (yay?), I thought I'd follow up here.

When I was testing UAC as a wizard during the test phases way back when, I was gently informed (heh) that MM and tier effects weren't meeting my expectations because I was using haste. I thought it a pretty clever design hook to put into a system that was supposed to perhaps make combat slightly longer than what-had-gone-before.

Then, I finished my testing, monks became a 'thing', life progresses and the next thing I know, wizards are getting significant changes. One of these changes was to Haste, including an introduction to the lands of 'quickstrike', which essentially gave a 'mini-haste' capability to all characters in the lands. I took a bit of time to get my head around these changes, what they portended for the wizard, etc.

Progress life forward a bit more, and here we are today. But - stunning thought-provoker- the whole lands (including monks!!) got some benefit from 'quickstrike'. How does that little gem weigh into this MM and tier system deterioration?

Finros / Estild - I hope you can give some answer to that. I don't expect wizards to get a free ride, but I don't expect monks to get shafted out of using 'quickstrike' either - so I'm sure your devious mind came up with something. Care to share?

Doug

There are no longer any penalties for wearing Haste-like spells in unarmed combat. Nor are there penalties for using quickstrike or Celerity.

I had always considered the previous penalties to be a band-aid solution, at best, to the problems posed by Haste-like spells. The need for those penalties went away when we recently revised the various roundtime-modifying systems.

>>There are no longer any penalties for wearing Haste-like spells in unarmed combat.

Thanks, Finros! Much, much more devious than I would ever have imagined. . . ;)

Doug