>>A Grimswarm giant soldier swings a ball and chain at you!
AS: +449 vs DS: +271 with AvD: +15 + d100 roll: +28 = +221
... and hits for 40 points of damage!
Right kneecap smashed into pulp.

This clip tells the tale. Ball and chain's AvD against torso plate is 30 and against hauberk is 23. But its AvD against cloth is 15. You don't have Iron Skin up here. Spears have AvD 33 against both cloth AND MBP, so it's possible that your Iron Skin is down in those shots as well.

Base damage 144+0.23= 33 (if you have MBP) or 144*0.55 = 79 (if you have robes) Both robes and MBP have AvD of 33 so could be either
Crit damage 25 (rank 5)

Max crit rank of 33/11 = 3 for MBP and 79/5 = capped at 9 (if you have robes, even with HCP)

Actual total damage 65.
If you have MBP then both crit and damage weighting are on the weapon or you have negative redux. Padding just means the weighting/negative redux would have to be even higher.

1202 got dispelled and you didn't notice until you got beat up and were actually only in robes.

Theoretical damage without redux 104
Actual Damage taken 65

Redux = about 38%

While spear has same AvD for MBP and robes, ball and chain doesn't. That one, you are clearly in robes.

38% seems on the low side for cap. Maybe train more PF?
That DS is horrible for cap, its about the same as mine at level 50. Train more dodge and/or MOC!

I'd say that you aren't getting any 1202 benefit, probably because there is a check for lore when you get hit, and since you took off your enhancive, you fail it. Possibly because you keep getting dispelled and don't notice. Possibly because your robes are buggy.

I was stunned, dispelled, and lying down in offense. I also have 3x robes.


Here's my skills, I'm fully 3x dodge and fully 3x PT. but I know up to 140 too, so that hurts redux.


Leland (at level 100), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Combat Maneuvers...................| 302 202
Brawling...........................| 302 202
Ambush.............................| 302 202
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 146 46
Physical Fitness...................| 403 303
Dodging............................| 403 303
Magic Item Use.....................| 111 27
Harness Power......................| 147 47
Mental Lore - Transformation.......| 201 101
Stalking and Hiding................| 302 202
Perception.........................| 30 6
Climbing...........................| 70 15
Swimming...........................| 154 54

Spell Lists
Minor Spiritual....................| 40

Spell Lists
Minor Mental.......................| 35
Training Points: 3 Phy 0 Mnt (1836 Phy converted to Mnt)

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Ambush works very well in Nelemar.

Is HCP still useful Rath, or has the mechanics changed for the worse?

Removing your lore enhancive isn't helping.

I'd bet that it's a continuous check whenever you're hit for Iron Skin. After the initial cast.

Whether this is true or not, or if this type of thing happens with other spells, I don't know.

It would be nice to know how this applies to this spell, and others.


-farmer

Buggy robes could conceivably explain why you're getting hit as though wearing robes, although it now seems more likely you're just getting dispelled. They can't explain why Iron Skin is working but counting as hauberk instead of MBP. That's a question of lores alone.

I'm guessing you already had iron skin up, and it only calculates the AsG on the first cast.

Try this -- stop 1202, then cast iron skin without the enhancive, then put the enhancive on and cast iron skin again. If I'm right, it should look like hauberk, even though you most recently cast it with the enhancive on. In order to get it to read as MBP, you'll have to cast it with the enhancive on while 1202 is not already on you.

Okay, looks like you were right, I think. I dispelled 1202, casted it with the enhansive on. I then wore the enhansive, while being attacked. these are the shots. After that, I took the enhansive off, and the MBP still remainded. As long as I cast iron skin with the enhansive on from now on, it should be OK I think. the AvD here , at least for the longsword, suggests MBP. Not sure about the other hits. Thank you for solving this dilemma.




A triton executioner swings a coral-hilted sharply tapered longsword at you!
AS: +435 vs DS: +614 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +19 = -125
A clean miss.


A siren swings a fine-grained deep cerulean runestaff at you!
AS: +440 vs DS: +614 with AvD: +10 + d100 roll: +88 = -76
A clean miss.


A triton combatant swings a seaweed-wound rusted steel hatchet at you!
AS: +424 vs DS: +614 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +5 = -144
A clean miss.


A triton executioner swings a sharply curved black handaxe at you!
AS: +433 vs DS: +604 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +50 = -80
A clean miss.

>This shot makes absolutely no sense.

A spectral triton defender thrusts with a lackluster blue steel harpoon at you!

AS: +449 vs DS: +356 with AvD: +33 + d100 roll: +98 = +224

... and hits for 47 points of damage!

Beautiful head shot neatly slices off your ear!

You are stunned for 5 rounds!

(hauberk, head shot)

This is an interesting result. The Rank 3 crit outcome requires a minimum of ~15 to 16 pts of critical padding with your redux%.

Did you have Sigil of Major Bane active?


>Yet another reason why 1202 is so annoying. Stun + dispel means you're dropping 30 DS and wearing robes. In short, good game.

Yeah. Game, Set and Match! 1202 dispel potentially leads to 1216 dropping when stunned.

An evaluation of the above attack with hauberk.

Redux Factor: ~0.400
DF: .325 (spear two-handed vs chain)
ER success margin: 124
Unreduced raw damage: 40 (124 * .325)
Reduced raw damage (for crit calc only): 29 [40 * (1 - (0.40 * 2/3)]
Padding: 15 pts (estimated)
Total damage for max crit rank: 14 (29 - 15)
Armor crit divisor: 9 (chain)
Max crit rank: 1 (14/9)

Total damage (est.) w/Hauberk: R1 head crit (L1 injury w/no stun) and 27 total damage vs the actual R3 head crit (L2 injury, 5 rd stun) and 47 total damage.

This was only a rank 3 crit due to the padding and best possible crit randomization outcome. A least favorable randomization would have been fatal.

Mark

Bandits will also dispel 1202 with their crystals I've noticed. Good times.

The one time it happened they also dispelled 1216 or it dropped while I was stunned from a maneuver/trap of course. :)

Yeah I generally don't use 102 since killing is slow enough as it is, which is its own danger since I tend to hunt casters as much as anything else due to adv guild bounties.

Yeah, I can't report. It's disabled in shattered. And unfortunately, if someone decides to kill you for a stupid reason, they're going to kill you, and keep killing you. 99% of the people are friendly, I don't know of anyone else is mean. It's like a close knit community. He just went nuts when I did him I wouldn't buy back the items he stole from me. It's not really fair because GS mechanics (hiding and DS push down, along with alot of critical adding) wasn't meant for PvP. It's devasting having a rogue in hiding, not know where that person is, with 3x hide (I couldn't find him with 2x perception), ambushing you in one shot from hiding. I have no chance. But that's how it is. There's a warning to join the game stating anything could happen. Anyway, that's in shattered I probably shouldn't bring it up here, but it's frustrating when you can't play the game anymore.

Anyway,

Here's a couple questions:

1) Being capped, is it better to train and get 140 ranks of armor, or keep using iron skin? Some spells casting are useful, esp in hunting if something gets dispelled or you want to do a spell like force projection. Some spells are good such as vertigo that target everything in the room. Surprisingly, capped, I'm able to ward most of the time, most things that aren't pures (semis, squares, usually about a 80% succcess rate out of 8 creatures) in a camp well. this seriously makes them unable to attack well when I'm moving through. I can also ward with web hunting, and area webs are nice and often web.

2) How does qstrike work with the UAC mechancics? it says I need a weapon. Well, punching isn't holding a weapon.
So does qstrike even work with punch/kick? I haven't had the time to test it. And since the rt is 3, what does it go down to, 0? (-3 RT, no AS penalty
at rank 5). that would make no sense.

3) Does bearhug have the chance to flare with UAC gloves?

It's really not like that in shattered. Unfortunately, silvers are worthless. Whatever items are left are scarce, and people generally only pay cash for items. So it would be hard to. Most of the time, people won't do anything about it because they do not want to get involved. (If someone did do this, he would kill them to, using his 100+ million silvers to cross every realm and let his script run, while he's afk.) that's pretty much why.

It's it pretty much just up to me. I was thinking of getting an ewave imbeddable item.
The problem is, and I'm not sure why (I'm trying to get off the topic of shattered now), his DS is ridiculous.

He is about 10x capped experience . However, I looked at the DS formula and I do not see how his DS can be over 650, lying down in offensive, with just spirit and wizard spells. Is this even possible? I don't think I could hit him with that, even with an AS of 700 with a blue crystal.

His UAC is also pretty high at 680, or around 640 sometimes.

I thought monks have extra UAC AS bonus?
Mine is only like 620, and I'm fully 2x Cm and brawling.

Let's just get back to topic of the mechanics of this stuff. How can a rogue have that much DS? DO monks get a bonus to UAC favor, since they're supposed to be masters of UAC? (I'd think they should). If not, what's the point of being a monk if there's no bonus to UAC? The spells are nice, and although I like being a monk over a warrior (i've played warriors for over 12 years) I'm not sure if it was worth the conversion. For one thing, I was fully mastered in every guild skill except bashing. Bert's bellow is a very powerful war cry. So do monks have advantages over warriors, and if so, what is that? (Since apparantly UAC AS is the same across the board? Anyone can learn punc, UAC combat, and punchmastery). Also, I'm don't think it would be a problem listing his name, as he's in shattered and I don't think the rules apply as in prime. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.


Kayous leaps from hiding to strike!
Kayous attempts to kick you!
Kayous has good positioning against you.
UAF: 680 vs UDF: 626 = 1.086 * MM: 95 + d100: 43 = 146
... and hit for 27 points of damage!
Flying axe kick seriously rattles your noggin.
You are stunned for 4 rounds!

(right after):

Kayous leaps from hiding to strike!
Kayous attempts to punch you!
Kayous has excellent positioning against you.
UAF: 625 vs UDF: 567 = 1.102 * MM: 112 + d100: 86 = 209
... and hit for 40 points of damage!
Stiffened fingers punch right through left eye and into your head!

Couple more questions, sorry:


how does evade mastery work? If you have 4 ranks, does your armor count as MBP (with 111 ranks of transformation at capped)
or robes? Is it worth to train in?

How does wearing a spiked flaring greathelm work?
With say, headbutt. If I wear it with my MBP (iron skin), will it effect my encumberance and equal that
of full plate ? shouldI not waer it?