After setting off a jaws trap with Unlock (407)...

407 (with water lore) stops corroding the lock.

416 constantly shows an obscured vision (even though I saw the jaws trap easily before).

125 bounced off the darn thing and blew my leg off.

I'm not 100% sure that jaw traps that were set off could be popped before (I thought so), but becoming anti-magic is really bizarre.

I did BUGITEM but...any thoughts?

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>Daid: Pretty sure you have a whole big bucket as your penny jar. You never have only two cents. :p

>That is normal and expected behavior :)

How quaint. And strange that I've literally never encountered it. One more thing for the guide I suppose.

I don't understand why a closed bear-trap would reflect a lightning bolt any more than an open one but, stranger things...

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>Daid: Pretty sure you have a whole big bucket as your penny jar. You never have only two cents. :p

<< I don't understand why a closed bear-trap would reflect a lightning bolt any more than an open one but, stranger things... >>

It's worked that way as long as I can remember. If you look at a jaw trapped box after the trap has been set off, you'll see something about the jaws covering the lock, which I think is the reason. I agree that it does not really make sense. You can use 125 on a jaw trapped box with no risk if the trap has not been set off.

Thanks for the responses, everyone!

A further note: it's resisting phase as well, proving it has become anti-magic.

The majority opinion is that this is how it's always worked, but I'd go ahead and argue that this is just a really old bug lurking in the shadows.

I'm fine the way fused boxes work (where the explicitly cannot be opened with 407 afterwards), but a jaws trap causing the box to become anti-magic cannot be the intended effect, right?

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>Daid: Pretty sure you have a whole big bucket as your penny jar. You never have only two cents. :p

Setting off jaws is like setting of vials creating a fused (plated) box

Okay, well until an NIR decides to recognize this as the bug it clearly is in my opinion, I've updated my Popping Boxes guide.

:D

Oddly, I found a note, put there by myself, 4 months ago: "Jaws supposedly requires more testing." Done!

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>Daid: Pretty sure you have a whole big bucket as your penny jar. You never have only two cents. :p

Thanks for taking the time to look into this Ixix.

>This looks like it is working as intended to me, based on the code and comments. There are special considerations for when the trap was triggered by 407 vs picking, and everything seems to be matching up with the expected behavior.

Do you mind sharing the basic reasoning in the comments that indicate closed jaws are intended to enrune the box? My primitive understanding of a jaws trap is that it's like a mechanical bear trap rather than a magical device.

Open jaws: Does not resist/reflect 125, 416, 704

Closed jaws: Resist/reflects 125, 416, 704

Is this just some surrogate punishment since it can't chop off a caster's hand? At least if that's the reasoning I can follow the intent...

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>Daid: Pretty sure you have a whole big bucket as your penny jar. You never have only two cents. :p

Great! Sorry for beating this into the ground like a broken record, but I wanted to squeeze some kind of answer out of you. :D

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>Daid: Pretty sure you have a whole big bucket as your penny jar. You never have only two cents. :p

I was curious about something. What is the reason that "unpure" black ora cannot be bladed?

Wolfloner's player

Steve

<<I'd have to see the item in question to be certain, but most likely because it's scripted.

Ixix>>

The Handing Inn Crystal did not yield much information.

You touch the crystal with one hand, your black ora flail in the other hand. Tiny sparks of brilliant golden light dance across your flail. An orange beam shoots up from your flail toward the ceiling.

Does unpure black ora have scripts unique to the metal itself? I am happy for you to look at it anytime at your convenience.

Wolfloner's player

Steve

<<If you could do me a solid and REGISTER the item, I can look more closely and we can go from there.


Ixix>>

The flail is registered to Wolfloner now.

Steve

That flail should be able to be ebladed (and you should be able to eblade it) as far as I can tell. If it's still acting up, I would suggest trying a cast of 417 on it to be sure that it's completely back to normal, and then try eblading it again.

Alternatively, if you don't want to try that, I think that you'll need to place an assist. That's totally fine if you'd prefer to go that way.

Ixix

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>Daid: Pretty sure you have a whole big bucket as your penny jar. You never have only two cents. :p