To handle your followup questions.

-Boo hiss - seed summation 10 RANKS
-You can gain the crit weighting on bolts, CS spells, and elemental weapon/armor flares
-The effect applies to one hit of a spell/spell like ability, so if you gain the spell and cast cone, only the first hit will be impacted
-The effect can be triggered off of any portion of a spell or spell/like ability, so it is possibly (though improbable) that your cone will have all hits with weighting
-You must be attuned to something to gain the ability, and only your attuned spell attacks will benefit from it.
-Attuning to random will still use your attuned element, so you'll still get a flare if you're not currently focusing on your element of choice.
-The crit weighting is applied before crit randomization, so it can be reduced by crit randomization

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G>incant 518
You intone a phrase of elemental power while raising your hands, invoking Cone of Elements...
Your spell is ready.
You gesture.
You hurl a powerful lightning bolt at a triton executioner!
AS: +392 vs DS: +347 with AvD: +37 + d100 roll: +9 = +91
A clean miss.
You hurl a powerful lightning bolt at a triton executioner!
AS: +392 vs DS: +309 with AvD: +37 + d100 roll: +94 = +214
... and hit for 93 points of damage!
Horrid jolt of electricity illuminates kidneys!
You hurl a powerful lightning bolt at a triton executioner!
AS: +392 vs DS: +244 with AvD: +37 + d100 roll: +19 = +204
... and hit for 83 points of damage!
Heavy jolt to back shoots up spine. Sympathetic pains almost as bad.
The triton executioner collapses, gurgling once with a wrathful look on its face before expiring.
You hurl a powerful lightning bolt at a triton executioner!
AS: +392 vs DS: +362 with AvD: +37 + d100 roll: +84 = +151
... and hit for 36 points of damage!
Visible wisps of electricity shoot up right arm. Youch!
The triton executioner is stunned!
Electrical elemental energy energizes you.
You hurl a powerful lightning bolt at a triton executioner!
The elemental energy surrounding you amplifies the attack!
AS: +392 vs DS: +322 with AvD: +37 + d100 roll: +43 = +150
... and hit for 38 points of damage!
Heavy spark to abdomen. Bet that hurts.
Electrical elemental energy energizes you.
You hurl a powerful lightning bolt at a triton executioner!
AS: +392 vs DS: +386 with AvD: +37 + d100 roll: +1 = +44
A clean miss.

Viduus

Wizards, attuned to fire, trained in fire lore, casting fire spells...rejoice!

Everyone else hears crickets.

Then again, 425 is one of the best buff spells in the game in my opinion, so...

This got anything going for DC?

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>Daid: Pretty sure you have a whole big bucket as your penny jar. You never have only two cents. :p

Does the following phrase appear each time it activates: "elemental energy energizes you"? I want to highlight the phrase so I don't miss it if it happens with DC.

<Then again, 425 is one of the best buff spells in the game in my opinion, so...

I used to feel this way until I found out the CS is basically normalized on the critter side to completely negate the bonus.

Still a nice AS bonus though.


As for the change, pretty cool.
Obviously suffers from ELR Seed Syndrome.

>Elemental Lore, Fire will grant a chance to cause your next spell to be charged with elemental energy. If a spell is cast within 10 seconds of gaining this charge, and the spell's damage type matches the caster's elemental attunement, the spell will gain a critical rank of weighting over its original power.

>The chance to gain this critical increase is equal to seed 10 summation of Elemental Lore, Fire ranks.

I think I have to go on the hating bandwagon with this one. This seems really, really weak.

If seed 10 summation, and if you cast a spell within 10 seconds, and if the spell's damage matches your elemental attunement == +1 crit rank. This almost seems like it was designed specifically to placate the immolation complainers, if so why not just add it to immolation? As is I find this has a few to many "ifs" Something like saying "If > 6' tall, and if left handed, and if ginger haired, and if Chinese." I start to wonder how often this will even happen.

>Then again, 425 is one of the best buff spells in the game in my opinion, so...

No, it isn't, it is an utterly useless pointless spell. Every critter has had their defenses adjusted to account for it so in the end it is a mana tax on hunting, not a benefit.

Are there any thoughts of reducing elemental lore costs or all to cosys to make these achievable for players before cap? As a semi I already have 400 physical converted to mental just with my main semi build.

>It's been mentioned in reference to 425 many times that eventually bonus becomes baseline, and the problems with doing that, I believe you were one of those voices?

That isn't relevant to the fact that this bonus is way too specific/rare/unlikely. Unless you were going to redesign crit tables based on source spell circle like you did TD, but I don't think that is going to happen. At the very lease you should apply the bonus POST randomization so it is at least still a bonus.

>> Elemental Lore, Fire will grant a chance to cause your next spell to be charged with elemental energy. If a spell is cast within 10 seconds of gaining this charge, and the spell's damage type matches the caster's elemental attunement, the spell will gain a critical rank of weighting over its original power.

Ok... so general questions around spells and attunement...

Do 901 and 910 count as Air, Water, Lightning, or some combination? Since there's no lightning lore... If 910 DOESN'T count as Air, then what does? 505 I know counts, but that's only available to Wizards... Which 901 and 910 are too.. And if only 505 counts, then how does that work if the non-bolt version of the spell doesn't do damage...

In fact... For Air Attuned Sorcs... what spells count for this? Earth might also be a good question.

Can we please get a chart? The more I think about this, the more I'm trying to figure out exactly how it permutes among all classes with access to 425 (and don't even get me started on Clerics with 425 Self-casts...)

It needs to at the very least add +1 crit POST randomization AND 10 seconds... really? It happens so rarely, it happens for only 1 hit, and requires specific spell usage, you might as well give us a minute. 30 seconds at least.

It needs to at the very least be better than any other crit weighting in the game, at the very least.

AIM: GS4Menos

>Like men we'll face the murderous, cowardly pack,
>Pressed to the wall, dying, but fighting back!

>I would 1000% prefer just they let us put crit weighting on runestaves and get +10 on ALL STRIKES, ALWAYS. Or maybe +45, claids are 40 right? So +45 CW on all spells, disallow the usual enchanting and DS bonuses, then that would be best crit weighting in the game.

>That's what GS4Menos is asking for :p

Excellent idea, I would like to crit weight my runestaff so that my spells are all crit weighted.

If I can't get that, okay. I will accept this 425 change with a tiny fraction of a chance to trigger a bonus if I then follow up with a very specific attack spell in a short amount of time I will get a one shot of minor crit weighting. I'm just saying, that lets make it an actual bonus, if you're prerandomized already at the top of the crit table this is no bonus, at all. Really its analogous to the truehand effect of 319 in my mind.... or hey... give it a longer duration, much longer, and code it so you don't waste it on a hit where you were going to be max crit anyways. That'd also be cool with me.

OR

change it to an AS/CS boost

OR

change it to a double flare of the element

AND

let X lore ranks unlock it on other nonattuned elements. You still get 1 charge per energization (is that a word?, energification?), but a little more flexible on what it fires on. Similar to how you've handled the lore changes to 925 in regards to enchanting flaring weapons.

I long ago suggested, and continue to feel that it would be a good idea, that either runestaff add to the AS (and possibly CS) of casters, just like weapons do, or that there be something analogous to 'Defender' weapons (or an appropriate material), where the bonus of the staff could be split, some to defense, some to offense.

Haven't seen it happen yet, but it'd still be good to have.

Anyone able to figure out why this happened to me?

I have 0 ranks of fire lore....

You swing a sonic short sword at a huge steam elemental!
AS: +544 vs DS: +349 with AvD: +28 + d100 roll: +10 = +233
... and hit for 42 points of damage!
The steam elemental sucks some of the elemental energy out of your short sword!
Fiery elemental energy energizes you.

If the lore-based bonus on Spell 425 can really be triggered by any war spell (and not just by any war spell that does elemental damage of the type to which I am attuned), then I am confident that it is not working. I should have a 4% chance of activating it. Since the change was announced, I have cast war spells hundreds of times. I have not gotten the "energizes" message a single time. While it's not impossible that I am extremely unlucky, I am confident enough to say that something is wrong.

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There was an issue with warding spells, I'm looking into it.

Viduus

I have 0 ranks of fire lore....

You swing a sonic short sword at a huge steam elemental!
AS: +544 vs DS: +349 with AvD: +28 + d100 roll: +10 = +233
... and hit for 42 points of damage!
The steam elemental sucks some of the elemental energy out of your short sword!
Fiery elemental energy energizes you.

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You are part of a select group of players that get to enjoy the benefit of this change as part of an initial release promo, congrats! If you, or anyone else, wants to participate in the promo while it lasts, simply roll a 0 on the droll and enjoy!

That's one spin on it, the other is...

You found an edge case bug, I'll be fixing it shortly. Enjoy it while you can!

Viduus

I don't have a clip handy but somehow my mage managed to get that fiery energize messaging without any lore yesterday. It was triggered by casting 904 at...something in the bowels. Not dying got a little hectic so I didn't get to scroll up to see which something was my target.

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It's the same bug as in the sonic weapon clip. When the stars align you'll see it happen, I'll fix it shortly.

Viduus

Bear with me, I'm going to try and do some probabilities here. And it's been over a decade since stats 101 which was mostly cramming for an exam. But since these ALL need to be true for our overall case to be true (IE: the fire lore did something noticeable) I think we can just multiply the percentages.

So I'm going to use 2x EL:F at lore, the best case scenario. (And a hugely expensive investment!)

a) 12%
B) We'll say 100% since that's under the player's control.
C) I'm gonna go with 85%, this is a best guess. I don't think creatures are usually triple trained in dodge, but they do often have shields.
D) Lets say 90%, which is being reasonable, I think. Varies somewhat. Is it the first cast on a creature? Probably lower. If they're already prone/stunned, maybe higher.

E) This one is a bit more complicated and I'm not 100% sure I got it right. Basically I'm seeing what are the odds that upping the crit rank will improve the end result. I"m assuming a flat distribution within a crit base rank. Then I'm just going to average them all together.

From 1->2, 50%. From 2->3, 50%. 3->4 33%. 4->5 33%. 5->6 25%. 6->7 25%. 7->8 20%. 8->9 20%
Average = 32%

[Also I should note that there should probably be another step between D and E where if you were already getting a crit 9 base, this does nothing. I'm going to ignore that for now because I'm not sure what the average probability of that would be, but I don't think it's insignificantly small!!]

So working with what I've described, (ignoring overkill!) we get .12 * 1 *.85 * .90 *.32 =

2.93% chance of this having any effect at max lore.

I like you, Viduus, but I can't give this one my seal of approval (for whatever that's worth ;).

The missing is the smallest factor in my analysis. Much more important is the fact that it has no effect due to crit randomization and overkill.

Heck just those two factors alone is .32 * .12 = 3.8% chance of any effect.

Make it +1 crit rank post CR and it becomes useful I think. You're still dealing with a seed10, which kinda sucks, but when it does proc you know you are getting a benefit.
On a crit 9 base head/neck shot, it forces the end crit to 6-9, resulting in death. That's at least sometimes helpful.

>Elemental Lore, Fire will grant a chance to cause your next spell to be charged with elemental energy. If a spell is cast within 10 seconds of gaining this charge, and the spell's damage type matches the caster's elemental attunement, the spell will gain a critical rank of weighting over its original power. (release)

>The additional weighting should only come into play when a spell makes contact.

So the first needs to be edited to "cause your next successful hit to be charged with elemental energy"?