Hi folks, nooberelf time (I'm getting good at asking for help; only took me ~40 years). I still haven't figured out how to read the new loresinging system with regard to temporary enhancements when there are multiple special attributes.

Curious how you would interpret the qualities on these leathers? Would you say this leather is temp flares or temp resists? If you think it's the latter, is it possible one of the resists is temp and the other permanent? The 1.6m value leads me to believe the resists are permanent and flares are temporary but maybe I'm wrong! How can we know?? I had a warrior assess them, thinking we could see if the resists were temp/perm but he couldn't even SEE the resists. So confused.



The first thing that strikes you about the leather is the weight, which is about 16 pounds. In your best estimation, it's worth about 1,600,000 silvers. You can also tell that the double leather is predominantly crafted of leather.

You sense a faint aura of magic surrounding the leather. From the pitch of the vibration you determine that the purpose of the leather is as some type of defensive garment. It also appears to have a temporary modification of some kind.

It has a bonus of +10 from a normal leather, and the way it vibrates in tune with your voice tells you that it is soft leather armor. It also has some type of special ability, but you can't tell what yet. The double leather seems to have some sort of unusual protection against damage.

The harmonics generated tell you that the leather has been infused with a disintegrating substance.
The leather resonates with your voice, revealing some details of its temporary enhancement:
The leather's enhancement will degrade when the wearer is struck in combat.
It should be able to withstand an incredible amount of uses before its enhancement has completely degraded away.
When its enhancement has degraded away, the item will simply return to normal.
As your song penetrates the double leather, you determine that it is moderately resistant to crushing attacks and moderately resistant to puncturing attacks.



Thanks!

Hi Doug, as I stated, this armor didn't display any resists to the capped warrior, which further exacerbates the issue around Temporary messaging.

More to the point of Loresong messaging though, temp messaging doesn't show immediately after its affected attribute and never has. Short of reorganizing the temporary messaging to show immediately after the specific attribute, here is an alternative solution: Change the words a little to accommodate insertion of a new TEMPORARY variable in V3 and V4. It would be super great if staff (Estlid or Keios these days I think?) would consider these.

See in bold. 2nd resist would be an example of null, aka, permanence.

Verse 3:
It has a bonus of +10 from a normal leather, and the way it vibrates in tune with your voice tells you that it is soft leather armor. It also has some type of special [temporary/null] ability, but you can't tell what yet. The double leather seems to have some sort of unusual [temporary/null] protection against damage.

Verse 4:
The harmonics generated tell you that the leather has been [temporarily/null] infused with a disintegrating substance.
The leather resonates with your voice, revealing some details of its temporary enhancement:
The leather's enhancement will degrade when the wearer is struck in combat.
It should be able to withstand an incredible amount of uses before its enhancement has completely degraded away.
When its enhancement has degraded away, the item will simply return to normal.
As your song penetrates the double leather, you determine that it has moderate [temporary/null] resistance to crushing attacks and moderate resistance to puncturing attacks.

I've seen some items like this in my short time singing. It almost never is the flares (unless added via the AG) and will be one or both of the resists. I hope the clean up of the output of the bardsongs is on a short list of easy things to fix because even at best it's a bit of a mess.

Wyrom says, "Ordim is the reason savants won't be coded as well."

It has been like this since April 2016.

:(

I think I left a pitiful message asking for it to be looked into once, so I'll keep my whining to a minimum.

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>>Just to come full circle on this

I appreciate the diligence on this.

Doug

>You should now be able to tell which property is temporary when loresinging. -Estild

Thaaaaaank you thank you thank you.

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Cendadric says, "Hmm, a most impressive weapon of note. I'll give you 30 silver coins for it."
You think to yourself, "This deal is getting worse all the time."

Thank you very kindly!

*showers Estild with confetti*

Many Thanks!

>Estild, could you also fix Voln armor? It doesn't show up at all in loresinging, only way to tell is analyze. I don't know if same for other rare armors like Ithzir or such but there's a lot of things that loresinging is missing nowadays with the recent mechanic additions.

I'm not sure how feasible this is. Loresinging has never identified special scripts unless the script itself had a special loresong. Voln and Ithzir armor are just scripted. It's probably on the script owner to add a special loresong if that's something they want to do, but the value add seems minimal, since you can just analyze the thing and see that it's X or Y script (assuming it has an analyze).

/bystander opinion

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Cendadric says, "Hmm, a most impressive weapon of note. I'll give you 30 silver coins for it."
You think to yourself, "This deal is getting worse all the time."

..... Quick, nobody take your eyes of the loresong leprechaun. He can't escape as long as somebody is looking. Anything else?

(If it's not already part of the analyze,) WHICH TWO flares are available via Ironwright?

>> (If it's not already part of the analyze,) WHICH TWO flares are available via Ironwright?

Analyze has this one well in hand (it's not always two btw, mine does 3)

yay, no more bugging Roblar to come over and wear plate armors while I spirit barrier him.

>All the updates

+100 <3

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;tune towncrier

It looks like when there is acuity flares now, it will not show the enhancive details.

You sing quietly in Guildspeak to your carmiln runestaff:

1st song

Roundtime: 13 sec.

The first thing that strikes you about the runestaff is the weight, which is about 2 pounds. In your best estimation, it's worth about 600,000 silvers. You can also tell that the carmiln runestaff is predominantly crafted of carmiln.

You sing quietly in Guildspeak to your carmiln runestaff:

2nd song

Roundtime: 13 sec.

You sense a faint aura of magic surrounding the runestaff. From the pitch of the vibration you determine that the purpose of the runestaff is as some type of weapon. Also, it seems to have some sort of enhancive properties.

You sing quietly in Guildspeak to your carmiln runestaff:

3rd song

Roundtime: 12 sec.

It has a bonus of +6 from a normal runestaff, and the way it vibrates in tune with your voice tells you that it requires skill in twohanded weapons to use effectively. It also has some type of special ability, but you can't tell what yet.

The runestaff resonates with your voice, indicating that it enhances its owner in the following ways:
It provides a bonus to Magic Item Use Ranks.
This enhancement may not be used by adventurers who have not trained 3 times.
It provides a bonus to Armor Use Ranks.
This enhancement may not be used by adventurers who have not trained 10 times.
You think that you could probably find out something more about the runestaff's enhancive properties if you tried.

You sing quietly in Guildspeak to your carmiln runestaff:

4th song

Roundtime: 15 sec.

The harmonics generated tell you that the runestaff allows a caster to occasionally focus their magical prowess for a single cast, temporarily granting +5 bolt Attack Strength or +3 Casting Strength.

You sense that the carmiln runestaff will persist after its last enhancive charge has been expended.

Is it possible to get a list of what can NOT be sung thru loresinging? I noticed my nervestaff also does not register in the loresinging result. Considering loresinging is considered the most definitive way to tell you the properties of the item - I feel this is a huge gap.

At the minimum, can there be a line added to the loresinging result to indicate there's a "VERY SPECIAL PROPERTY" on this item to alert us to try analyze or something else? It's not a good customer relation to miss the most important part of the item and also means it can't be shown on the playershop.

It looks like the messaging for temporary damage and crit weighting/padding might be mixed up. This issue also extends to bow sighting where the messaging states they will lose their ability to inflict greater damage:

The harmonics generated tell you that the bow temporarily assists its bearer with aiming attacks at range.
The bow resonates with your voice, revealing some details of its temporary enhancement:
The bow's enhancement will degrade when it scores a successful strike.
It should be able to withstand quite a few uses before its enhancement has completely degraded away.
When its enhancement has degraded away, the item will lose its ability to inflict greater damage.