HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/02/2015 10:54 PM CDT
A new verb, BANK, has been released! This verb will allow access to various information and services regarding one's bank accounts, including:

- Account balances in all towns.

- In-town silver or bank note deliveries to and from your local bank account. This brand new function, accessible through the BANK DEPOSIT and BANK WITHDRAW commands, allows players to send a courier to either deposit or withdraw funds from their local bank account. This function is available in any town where the player has a bank account and is within the courier's limits (wherever the justice system patrols). Access to this service can be purchased via the SimuCoins store or be awarded from the treasure system.

- Inter-town balance transfers. This new function, accessible through the BANK TRANSFER command, allows players to send a courier to request that silver in their bank account in one town be transferred to their bank account in their current town. Access to this service can be purchased via the SimuCoins store.

(Please note that the inter-town balance transfer item is not currently on the website store, but it should be so within the next day or so. If you have a Locker Runner Pass or Locker Runner Uses available, you may use them interchangeably with the bank runners.)

Coase
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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/02/2015 11:21 PM CDT
Bah, deleted my post as I skimmed the announcement and my own question was answered. D'oh!

-Richard/Fjalar.
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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/03/2015 12:33 AM CDT
In other words, ATMs have just arrived in Elanthia. Huzzah!

~ GtG
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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/03/2015 05:47 AM CDT

Should it show the total of balances in all banks? FWI bankbooks show the total.
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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/03/2015 08:23 AM CDT
Well, if it does, then what'm I paying my $39.95 / month for?!?!?!
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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/03/2015 09:59 AM CDT
Could premium users get one of each of these services free a month? It would be nice to gain back some ground in that regard.
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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/03/2015 10:18 AM CDT
>> BANK DEPOSIT/BANK WITHDRAW

Good job on this. I can see myself using the urchin bank runners I have accumulated on this and could also envision getting used to it enough that I purchase additional urchin uses from the store down the road.

-- Robert

"All wizards are beginners; some of us have just been beginning longer!"
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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/03/2015 10:43 AM CDT
>bank withdraw 10000
You summon a nearby street urchin to send to the local bank to make a withdrawal for you, giving him the pertinent details of the transaction. The urchin nods, scurries off, and returns in a few moments with a Borthuum Mining Company scrip in the amount of 10000 silver that he hands to you. He mentions that there was a 11 silver surcharge for the note.

[You have 54 urchin runner uses remaining.]

Well hot diggerdy.

Actually the best thing about this is that i've just learned I have a heap of funds in elftown. Will see if its cheaper to travel there - reluctantly - to get it out. Cant remember the last time I was there.

Good to keep these urchins occupied and not picking my pockets!



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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/03/2015 10:46 AM CDT
"and not picking my pockets!" -- Bremerial

The hell do you call those 11 sillers he charged you?!?!?
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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/03/2015 10:54 AM CDT
Just a note:


>bank withdraw 10000
You summon a nearby street urchin to send to the local bank to make a withdrawal for you, giving him the pertinent details of the transaction. The urchin nods, scurries off, and returns in a few moments with a Borthuum Mining Company scrip in the amount of 10000 silver that he hands to you. He mentions that there was a 11 silver surcharge for the note.

[You have 54 urchin runner uses remaining.]


>bank deposit all
You summon a nearby street urchin to send to the local bank, giving him the pertinent details of the transaction, and hand over your deposit of 5010000 silver. The urchin takes your deposit, nods, and scurries off.

[You have 53 urchin runner uses remaining.]


Needless to say, I scurried back to the bank thinking that this was one of those famed bank errors one can only dream about - hehe. The money in my account was alas, as it should be.



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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/03/2015 03:45 PM CDT


Since this basically steals a nifty Premie ability to give to the masses, can Premie at least get a few free transfers per month as a Premium benefit?

Bank books are now meaningless after all.
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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/03/2015 06:30 PM CDT
>>Since this basically steals a nifty Premie ability to give to the masses, can Premie at least get a few free transfers per month as a Premium benefit?

>>Bank books are now meaningless after all.

This. Much this. Or let bankbooks do something useful again.
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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/03/2015 06:45 PM CDT

Could make it like a checkbook. You can write notes from any of your accounts while holding it? Sounds like it might be useful to me but just an idea.
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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/03/2015 06:51 PM CDT
Could make it like a checkbook. You can write notes from any of your accounts while holding it? Sounds like it might be useful to me but just an idea.


This is exactly what I was thinking. Now that bankbooks serve no function and all accounts get a free bankbook ability, the bankbook should serve as a checkbook.
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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/03/2015 07:05 PM CDT
Whatever the case, some sort of bone should be thrown to premium members.
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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/03/2015 11:09 PM CDT
Oh, wow... you guys are killin' it! Love this addition!



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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/04/2015 12:54 AM CDT
Agreed, loving all of HSN.
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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/04/2015 08:06 AM CDT
>>Bank books are now meaningless after all.

>This. Much this. Or let bankbooks do something useful again.

I was actually hoping so. I had no regrets to ditch my locker manifest after the LOCKER verb was released.

But, the bankbooks still give the total balance, where the verb does not. I can do math and all, but it's a nice feature to see it all added up. Could we get that rolled into the BANK verb, please?



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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/04/2015 01:24 PM CDT


Someone posted this in lich chat and I thought it was pretty cool so I'd post it here since you mentioned it. (I hope that's not against some policy thing?!)

This is only useful if you use lich, but still kinda neat.

;alias add --global bank=;e put "bank account";total = 0;loop{;line = get;if line =~ /[^:]+: (\d+)/;total += $1.to_i;end;break if line =~ /You currently have \d+/};respond "Total: " + total.to_s.reverse.gsub(/(\d{3})(?=\d)/, '\\1,').reverse

If you don't already use aliases, you may need to start ;alias and add it to your autostart routine via ;auto add --global alias.lic

I'm terrible with regex so this was well beyond what I'd be able to cobble together on short notice.

Props to you mysterious lnetter, I wish I remembered your name.
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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/04/2015 02:44 PM CDT
Thanks for the alias. This is what it looks like/does if anyone is curious.

>;alias add --global bank=;e put "bank account";total = 0;loop{;line = get;if line =~ /[^:]+: (\d+)/;total += $1.to_i;end;break if line =~ /You currently have \d+/};respond "Total: " + total.to_s.reverse.gsub(/(\d{3})(?=\d)/, '\\1,').reverse
--- Lich: alias service started
>;alias add --global bank=;e put "bank account";total = 0;loop{;line = get;if line =~ /[^:]+: (\d+)/;total += $1.to_i;end;break if line =~ /You currently have \d+/};respond "Total: " + total.to_s.reverse.gsub(/(\d{3})(?=\d)/, '\\1,').reverse

--- Alias saved

>bank
--- Lich: exec1 active.
[exec1]>bank account
You currently have the following amounts on deposit:

Great Bank of Kharam-Dzu: 270840
United City-States Bank: 11780
Four Winds Bank: 10926
Cysaegir Bank: 103011

You currently have 0 inter-town bank transfer options available.
>
Total: 396,557
--- Lich: exec1 has exited.



So if you're having trouble reading that, the instructions are as follows:

1. Copy/Paste the line twice (or turn on ;alias first, then paste the line in once)

2. type bank.

3. From now on, you'll get your bank account totals whenever you type BANK without needing a bankbook.
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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/04/2015 02:54 PM CDT

Thanks for clarifying that, Observer. Looking at my post again I can see that actually making use of that information is not obvious.
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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/04/2015 08:47 PM CDT


I dont wanna be that guy...but you (As in simutronics) banned trading of spells and items at the Spirit Arena, calling it mechanics abuse because it took away something from premium subscribers and gave it to the masses... The ability to meet in a central area and trade goods and services was FWI only.

Then you release a banks update verb...taking something away from premium and giving it to the masses.

I agree with the other posters, premium people should get the "For sale" options free a few times a month to compensate. It should be a perk for the "Higher Tax Payers". Or if anything, a higher drop rate ON the options.

Other than that little snag, great update!
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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/04/2015 08:55 PM CDT
>> Then you release a banks update verb...taking something away from premium and giving it to the masses.

What do you feel was taken away from premium with this release? As a premium player I'm excited about the new verb and it's new features and don't really see that anything lost/given away to other players.

-- Robert

"All wizards are beginners; some of us have just been beginning longer!"
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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/04/2015 10:09 PM CDT
Bankbooks have been essentially given to everyone.
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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/04/2015 10:14 PM CDT
Heh. I don't think I've ever used one...

-- Robert

"All wizards are beginners; some of us have just been beginning longer!"
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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/04/2015 10:25 PM CDT
What do you feel was taken away from premium with this release? As a premium player I'm excited about the new verb and it's new features and don't really see that anything lost/given away to other players.
-- Robert
"All wizards are beginners; some of us have just been beginning longer!"


Previously, ONLY PREMIUM accounts had access to a bankbook, which showed their account balances in all towns. Now EVERYONE has access. Therefore, the perk was removed from PREMIUM ONLY and given to the MASSES.

That would be a loss of 1 for PREMIUM ACCOUNTS and a gain of 1 for everyone else.
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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/05/2015 02:47 AM CDT
I've added a total to the BANK ACCOUNT display. Regarding Premium benefits, while this does open a prior Premium benefit to all, it is likely that the average Premium player will gain much more benefit from the current setup due to the fact that their Urchin Runner treasure drops are a lot higher than the lower subscription tiers.

>Needless to say, I scurried back to the bank thinking that this was one of those famed bank errors one can only dream about - hehe. The money in my account was alas, as it should be.

It looks like you withdraw a 5m note on Sunday and then re-deposited it again with DEPOSIT ALL in that clip.

Coase
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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/05/2015 07:22 AM CDT


>... the fact that their Urchin Runner treasure drops are a lot higher than the lower subscription tiers.

Premium subscribers find more treasure per loot than basic?


Back on topic, I doubt the amount of the transfer makes any difference at all to the player, the benefit that was taken away was not the deposit ability.



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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/05/2015 08:04 AM CDT
>>Premium subscribers find more treasure per loot than basic?

the simucoin treasure drops is what he is referring to and the frequency which folks find them. Premium is weighted to find their first one each month day / week a lot faster. then I think the chances are the same.
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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/05/2015 12:58 PM CDT
Any chance this can get some premium love and have at least some uses per month granted on premium basis? 5-10 uses would be a great premium perk.
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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/05/2015 01:54 PM CDT
>> Previously, ONLY PREMIUM accounts had access to a bankbook, which showed their account balances in all towns. Now EVERYONE has access. Therefore, the perk was removed from PREMIUM ONLY and given to the MASSES.

>> That would be a loss of 1 for PREMIUM ACCOUNTS and a gain of 1 for everyone else.

Thanks for the clarification! I see your point but I see it as more of a gain for everyone since it's an improvement for premium as well. I'm fine with premium benefits changing (that includes premium benefits becoming all paid subscriber, or all subscriber benefits) if the net result is better for me in the long run. I also seriously doubt anyone ever made a Prime vs. Premium decision based on this particular feature (no doubt the one person that did this will chime in on the conversation soon).

-- Robert

"All wizards are beginners; some of us have just been beginning longer!"
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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/05/2015 01:56 PM CDT
>> Any chance this can get some premium love and have at least some uses per month granted on premium basis? 5-10 uses would be a great premium perk.

Assuming you hunt and loot critters this is already baked into the system (not exactly as proposed but in that a premium player will find more of these than a prime user will). Premium love given!

-- Robert

"All wizards are beginners; some of us have just been beginning longer!"
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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/05/2015 02:42 PM CDT
>Assuming you hunt and loot critters this is already baked into the system (not exactly as proposed but in that a premium player will find more of these than a prime user will). Premium love given!

That's not a premium perk...that's just a byproduct of the treasure system. I mean actually get some freebies...but its probably not that big a deal if it doesn't happen.
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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/05/2015 02:45 PM CDT
>> That's not a premium perk...that's just a byproduct of the treasure system. I mean actually get some freebies...but its probably not that big a deal if it doesn't happen.

Premium has a better chance to get them than non-premium.

-- Robert

"All wizards are beginners; some of us have just been beginning longer!"
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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/05/2015 03:24 PM CDT
Premium players definitely have a pretty substantial boost for getting a SimuCoin store drop each day.

http://forums.play.net/forums/GemStone%20IV/GemStone%20IV%20Announcements/Important%20Announcements/view/2033

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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/05/2015 04:30 PM CDT
Could all the transfer options be found as drops for premium people perhaps? Since the one transfer option apparently isn't dropped?

Or just other simucoin store items as rare drops would be neat, too. How about Duskruin tokens/slips?

Best would still be if everyone could just find small batches of simucoins in the treasure system, then they can get things that interest them in the store and, if they like them, may continue to buy them.
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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/05/2015 07:44 PM CDT
>I've added a total to the BANK ACCOUNT display

Just noticed this in-game, and came back to give a reply of thanks. Appreciate it a lot. I am more than happy to kick my bankbook into the dirt now.

Great change! My character already carries too much rubbish.



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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/06/2015 10:18 AM CDT
Ok,

Was looking to purchase the 1 instance of Bank Consolidation from simucoins. All I get is:

Pending approval . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . etc etc etc

This is 10 minutes now.

Is this up and running yet?



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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/06/2015 10:21 AM CDT
The issue is with SimuCoins in general, not with the bank system itself. Hopefully it will be resolved soon, sorry!

~Vanah
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Re: HSN: New BANK Verb Released! 09/06/2015 04:46 PM CDT
And the SimuCoins store issue has been resolved! Sorry for the inconvenience!

~Vanah
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