The owner of the scroll cutters did not want them available en mass via the PERM-ifier at Ebon Gate. It is therefore unlikely that they would be mass unlocked via a premium merchant.

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maybe there should be a new rule if a fluff item hasn't been sold at any fest for 2 or 3 years, then "ownership" over a script and is revoked and any rules are nullified for less stringent staff to step in and accommodate requests

since the items fall along the lines of runestone carvers and ranger boxes in terms of functionality, the availability should be the same. it makes no sense beyond ego to keep them at such a level of rarity.

>Consider what we can see of each other's actions that drive us, and tell me that ego is totally absent. There are damn few altruists in the world.

>It's usually where we disagree as to matter of priority or value (such as here) that ego gets its bad rap - beneficially and omnipresent as it may be.

Ego has no place when it comes to people being able to more easily organize, sort, and personalize their scrolls. If you can do it for runestones, you should be able to do it for scrolls. With the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of scrolls out there, and the everyday nature and regularity of scrolls (again, very similar to runestones), the rarity should not be similar to T4 Voln armor (there are probably more T4 Voln armor than perm scroll cutters).

I don't think the temporary versions have been sold since Frontier Days 2013.

>>being able to more easily organize, sort, and personalize their scrolls.

And that's the 'value' statement. I don't handle nearly the number of scrolls that I imagine you might, V. So my value is different.

I will say this, with assertion - if one could RUMMAGE for a spell that was once inscribed but had faded (so that it could be recharged) that would be the single greatest quality-of-life change I could imagine for scrolls.

I do hate me seriously some time spent waving runestones around looking for that derned faded Arcane Barrier. Why, o' why can't I just RUMMAGE that puppy out?!

Yes, I know - I could personalize them. Like I said, my value is different. :)

Doug

>Like I said, my value is different. :)

If you have no interest in one, that's fine, but it's not an argument that matches constancy in rules, and organizing/sorting is not about the spell that is on the scroll. I can pull a scroll out of my case and tell you the status of it (unlocked, locked).

I've done scroll work for a many people, I've worked on scrolls long enough to find bugs in the Scroll Infusion spell. Maybe I know a little more about the uses of the item and wants of the general scroll using population.

Doug- now you're arguing for the sake of arguing. You can't see the value because you don't use scrolls everyday, but a lot of us do. That should be the end of it.

>I'm correcting. I use scrolls everyday.

Okay

>I value them more than you do.

this is not a correction, this is an assumption. You have no idea how much I've spent on scrolls/scroll infusion, nor do I know how much you have spent. You also have no idea how pissed I get when I lock a scroll.

>And we already know the value is different

The value is different based on arbitrary GM script ownership rules vs. grouping similar items used to alter everyday magical items and assigning them the same rules.

When I purchased a scroll cutter a few years ago, I promptly started to cut my scrolls, only to discover that the cutter was limited. I have not found someone to recharge this item since, and as such it has remained in my locker. +1 to the OP for suggesting that they somehow be made permanent, and -1 to the bureaucracy that thinks having <adjective> <color> scroll is a problem to anyone.

As mentioned, simply asking for the scroll cutters to go out is pretty much what should be happening if there's a shortage of/demand for the items at the moment. Not every limited use non-mechanical item is going to be eligible for permification (though, as mentioned, there are permanent cutters that have been won via raffles, games, etc.). But just because another GM arbitrarily decides to permify his/her items doesn't mean everyone else with a somewhat-but-not-really similar script should have to follow suit.

I had something else typed out re: script economics and the slippery slope, but Sleken summed it up well. In terms of shop economics: the last time the cutters were sold OTS was 2014, and they weren't selling well anymore. Building items that aren't in demand by players generally isn't a good use of our time. So the cutters naturally moved out of rotation. When people are politely requesting to see an item again, then generally some GM or another will want it for a shop, and it's back on the market for a few years until demands goes down again. It's a pretty regular, natural cycle for a lot of our items.

>>I would love to see another permanent scroll cutter (or few) make their way into the lands.

Sure, we can do that sometime this year.

>>I have not found someone to recharge this item since, and as such it has remained in my locker.

I've opened up the recharging to more merchants -- the restriction on who can do that was a hold-over from previous owners, and I have zero issue with removing it and allowing any willing merchant to recharge. ANALYZE should reflect the update.

~Kaikala

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I understand wanting to maintain rarity and desirability of scripts or items, but in this case, I don't think that making permanent cutters slightly more available than they currently are would reduce their demand. Most people don't request items of a consumable nature simply because they are a massive pain to stock and maintain, and if they don't last forever, I don't see much point in getting used to using them.

I think that GM Tamuz's ranger imbue boxes hit a good balance between maintaining desirability and also limiting demand to those truly interested in investing in them, as the cost to permify them or buy them permified off the shelf was significantly more than any other generic off the shelf item. I would much rather pay the cost of 20 boxes once upfront, for example, than worry about where I'm going to stuff 20 boxes in the lockers. I really appreciated him allowing the imbue boxes and runestone carvers to be permified on a one per account per year basis for Xerria's Premium benefits, which both encouraged upsells and allowed people access to this item that enables customization of commonly used magic items. It's difficult enough to find space to store and stock imbeds, scrolls, and magic items themselves. Anything that helps with sorting this inventory and that allows for customization of these items, which is one of the big highlights of GemStone, is a plus in my book.

Kaikala, I'd love if you would consider allowing a one per account per year permanence of these cutters even if you don't want them to be available on a wider basis. Most people don't have any. The off the shelf cutters only came with 10 charges, which was increased to 30 charges per as a service when they were altered by the previous owner. In contrast, the ranger imbue boxes are easy to store or even more palatable to buy as consumables because they came with 125 uses each off the shelf. I honestly see no point in wasting anyone's time altering things if they only have 10-30 charges.

Awesome, thanks.

>Other recharging things: I updated the recharge bit a little bit more this morning so that if a merchant recharges for you, it's 100 charges in one shot. Recharging your non-perma cutter just caps out at ~250 charges at any one time is where you get limited is all.

This is fantastic. Thank you for the quality of life update!

Here I thought that they were crumbly so I never used the last charge.