Sounds like a real problem. Did you also ASSIST in game and BUG in game? Not required per se, but helpful to those sorting out the problems.

Doug

Sorry, not a GM, I spoke with a Game Host. Been referred to a GM currently.

GameHost asks, "What are the different tasks you normally get for tackle. Tackle creatures, tackle people, etc?"
You say, "Creature, masters, partner, partner return, chores."
GameHost asks, "And you got 30 tackle creature tasks in a row?"
You say, "Yup."
You say, "'here, I can quantify better."
GameHost says, "Ok."
You say, "I started with 140 vouchers and I am now at 110."
You say, "All have bee for tackle in this sitting."
You say, "I mean, I am down to keep going if you like, I am just kindof bummed as I payed for a lot of these vouchers that it turns out have just been a waste. Not only the 30 just now, but so many over time."
GameHost says, "You don't need to keep going for me."
GameHost says, "All I can say is that the system is random. It certainly doesn't appear to be in this case, but it is."
GameHost says, "If you doubt that, and you clearly do, the best option at this point is to do what you've already mentioned and post to the warrior folder."
You say, "I mean."
You say, "It's not."
You say, "It's clearly not."
You say, "I could crunch numbers for the odds on 30 in a row, and it would be insane."
GameHost says, "I hear you, 30 tasks in a row is statistically .. insane, right."
You say, "Well and it;s usually the case."
You say, "People who use vouchers tend to get repeats for at least a few times."
You say, "Always."

*me fast tracking 30 additonal voucher attempts*

You say, "I am now at 60."
GameHost says, "Yeah, no, I believed you before."
You say, "Frown."
You say, "You told me it was random despite not seeming so."
You say, "Perhaps I misunderstood."
GameHost says, "The system is random."
GameHost says, "But based on the 30 you had there, it certainly doesn't look random.. and the 60 even more so."
GameHost says, "Which is indicative that there is an issue somewhere along the line."
You say, "I'm sorry. I do not understand how you can both be assuring me that it is random, and believing me that is is absolutly NOT random."
GameHost says, "The system is random, but you're displaying evidence that it is not. Which indicates that there is an issue with either the vouchers or the system or, unlikely, but possible, it's just that horrible of luck."
GameHost says, "Not quite sure how else to explain that bit."
GameHost says, "Here is what can be done. You can post the issue to the warrior folder so a GM can look into it. You can BUG the room here as another route to get a GM to look at it."
You say, "It's just upsetting that all the people that have been told "its just bad luck" were misinformed."
GameHost says, "You could additionally request a referral."
You say, "And it's upsetting that all these vouchers were wasted. And it is upsetting that you required (yes required) me to demonstrate and waste another 30 just to stop the "must be bad luck" line."
You say, "Yes. Refer me to a GM please."
GameHost says, "I didn't require you to do any of that, I said it looked insane after the initial 30."
You say, "Just refer me please."
GameHost says, "Will do. Give me a minute to set that up."
You say, "Thank you."
GameHost says, "You are in the queue to speak with a GM. You can see if one is on duty to answer by typing WHO. If you log out, you will be added to the queue again when you log back in."
You say, "And as to the vouchers. I told you there was a problem, you ASSURED me it WAS random, depsite what I told you. It wasn't enough to be considered a problem."
You say, "It took me 60 vouchers for you to say, oh hey, maybe he is right."
GameHost says, "I did, yes, because the system is random."
You say, "But its not."
You say, "You can not say its random."
You say, "Then admit its not random."
You say, "That is lying to me."
GameHost says, "The system is random, but if it's broken, then it's not random."
You exclaim, "Just keep using the vouchers, they be fine!"
You say, "OK. thank you for your time. I don't think i need anything else at this juncture."
GameHost says, "At any rate, hopefully a GM will have better answers for you."
GameHost says, "I hope the rest of your evening is more fruitful."

end discussion




GameHost says, "The system is random, but if it's broken, then it's not random."

Almost as if that was what I was assisting about! Gasp!

>>GameHost says, "The system is random, but if it's broken, then it's not random."

It can be really hard to be the first person to respond to an issue - the Game Host doesn't have anything to go on beyond what the system should do. Not even tools to look behind the scenes like a GM, if I understand how the effort is structured. Each GH and referring GM deals with complaints all the time - but it doesn't really get easier.

I feel your pain, though - and am happy that it is getting looked into.

>>Still recommend AGAINST using class guild vouchers at this point

Very solid advice. Hopefully we'll get an "all clear" from the GM team, and a "yippee, frustrating but worked out in the end" from you, and very shortly.

Doug

In the Rogue guild SWEEP works a bit differently than the other abilities in that the training always goes in a fixed order: Sweep others, get swept yourself, train with the masters, train with the dummies, sweep the courtyard, sweep creatures, back to sweeping others.

Because of this, task trade-ins don't work for Sweep. You'll always get the next task in the fixed sequence until you complete it.

Is Tackle in the warrior guild the same way?

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Fyonn's player

>Is Tackle in the warrior guild the same way?

Pretty sure that Disarm Weapon, Tackle, and War Cries are all like this. 50% of the guild skills for warriors if so.


Speaking in Faendryl, Jahosk says, "You will now be known as Blade Durakar, the Palestra."

>Pretty sure that Disarm Weapon, Tackle, and War Cries are all like this. 50% of the guild skills for warriors if so.

I can't speak to the others, but Disarm while disarm has a pattern, it doesn't follow it strictly. It can give you multiple rounds of partner reps, and trading definitely does work.

The guilds have some obviously fixed assignments, like when the masters have to teach you a new task. It wouldn't surprise me if there were occasionally fixed assignments for non-masters tasks as well.

>Those waivers wouldn't work well with those tasks, as they just give you another chance at a random task assignment. Since those guild skill tasks are not randomly assigned you will always get the next task in order.

Maybe provide a list of all of those tasks that the waivers won't work for so there will be less waste.

>> >Maybe provide a list of all of those tasks that the waivers won't work for so there will be less waste.

>> Or, better yet, flag the tasks that they don't work for so the voucher won't be used up on it even by accident.

This.

-- Robert

A powerful whirlpool is suddenly overtaken by a windy vortex!

>Now a request for the waivers to skip the next assigned task might not be out of line here, but that would be an exception.

Waivers should always skip to the next task. It might happen to be the same task because the rules for the way that skill assigns tasks include repeats, but they should always skip.

If there's a reason for not skipping, waivers shouldn't be accepted for that task and that would be the exception.