Question about age 12/19/2016 11:10 AM CST
I'm asking here even though this is a general question about elves and age, as this is my half-elf's heritage.

What's the span/process like for elven children? Do they age at a similar rate as humans, and then the process trails out progressively past puberty? Or is the childhood delayed/lengthened, as well?

For example, human children around age ten (those from privileged backgrounds, anyway) might already be thinking about future aspirations and guild membership/apprenticing. Would an elven child still be too close to infancy to be doing the same?

I'm sure there's no simple answer here, but I'm curious to see what you all think.

-GK


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Re: Question about age 12/19/2016 12:16 PM CST
I use the following personally - not saying it's accurate or even reflects anything in documentation, though!

Dark Elves - grow up fast (2x human 'child'), grow up mean, continually look for a way to make a name for themselves
Sylphs - grow up a tad slower (3x human 'child'), grow up wild, continually look for a way to reduce the impact of others on the sylph's chosen 'grounds'
Elves - grow up slower (4 or 5x human 'child'), grow up calm, continually look for a way to fit into the elegance of the society around them

Doug
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Re: Question about age 12/19/2016 04:20 PM CST
The sylvan history document suggests that ages 5 to 15 are considered young children, and puberty can last until around age 35.
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Re: Question about age 12/20/2016 05:20 PM CST

>>The sylvan history document suggests that ages 5 to 15 are considered young children, and puberty can last until around age 35.

funny, just like real life humans





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Re: Question about age 01/04/2017 05:45 AM CST
The Argent Mirror Lahrair Illistim was a "child" when she assumed the throne. It was ruled in practice by others because she was only 34 years old, which you can calculate from the dates in the Illistim monarch document. The Council of Thrones later dismissed her conscription duties from being half Vaaloran when she was a "young adult." In the documentation for the Vaalor of the present day, young Elves join the military or military academies at age 50. They then have to serve for 100 years.

You might think of the ratio as 6 human years to 17 elven years for childhood rates based on those numbers. The scale by age appearance for our characters in adulthood is 5 human years to 146 elven years. An "ancient" looking human is about 70 years old, whereas an "ancient" dark elf might be 1,350 years old. The game only lets you pick up to 1500 years now, originally it was up to 3000. So, the original intent was for 5 human years to be roughly 300 elven years, but people had issues with it because there is very little lore in that period. The history documents have since had Elven rulers living 5,000+ years. What's not clear to me is what "looking old" means for Elves.

Like the Lady Ardtin NPC on the Illistim Council of Thrones was the Argent Mirror 4,000 years ago, and was probably alive during the Faendryl-Ashrim war. She appears "venerable", which would be about 75 for a human. The chronology is all messed up for Faendryl monarchs because the first culture document effectively said the Undead War lasted 15,000 years, which contradicts all of the other documents, but they're still hereditary and probably rule for a couple thousand years on average.

- Xorus' player



>Level: 46
>Strongest foe vanquished: an infernal lich
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Re: Question about age 01/04/2017 05:56 AM CST
I forgot to mention this about the pre-Despana Illistim monarchs. They usually didn't accede to the throne until they were over a thousand years old, which is the contrast on why 34 was so extremely young, and then typically ruled for two or three thousand years. Some of the Illistim queens (e.g. Linsandrych, Lilorandrych) gave birth to children when they were 3,000 years old. Our elven characters look like they have "one foot in the grave" when they are only 1,500 years old.

- Xorus' player




>Level: 46
>Strongest foe vanquished: an infernal lich
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Re: Question about age 01/05/2017 07:03 AM CST
In addition to other elf age references, it's said that at 50 is when Vaalorians are able to enter the military, which they do for a century. I am under the impression that it wouldn't be a 1:1 comparison, but that you would have to compare each age grouping. My thought would be preadolescence might be comparable, but once those hormones start kicking it, it diverges. Those difference would also likely affect the longevity in some way, but someone more medical minded might theorize better there.
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Re: Question about age 01/05/2017 07:13 PM CST
I would suggest a lot of the age references for long lived races, like elves/dark elves/sylvans and even dwarves are leaning more toward the creative license of the staff writing the lore over the accuracy.

In lore context though, it always seemed odd to me that it would take hundreds of years for an elf to accomplish what a human could do in a year or so.

We'd either have elves that take 100 years to accomplish a new skill that takes a human one (and thus appearing to have developmental delays)

ie. "Hey elfdude, how are you 1000 years old and can't even kill a thrak?! Damn." and "Yo, elf! My great great great great great great great great great great great grandmother can kill a thrak faster than you! HAH! She did. 980 years ago! LOSER!"

OR

Little kid elves with ridiculous uber skillz.
ie. "Koar's balls, that little elf girl is still in diapers and just took out a roa'ter." and "Ronan on a riceball! That kid is knee high to nothing, and just took out the entire Krolvin armada with a temper tantrum!"


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Re: Question about age 01/06/2017 02:47 PM CST
I appreciate all the thoughtful opinions. I've often felt like adventurer characters experience parenthood/children as overwhelmingly adoptive kin, and thought I might try something different. If a character has children of his/her own, how would they be referred to, and how would their lives as adventurers be affected, and so on. The first place I thought to try and map out would be the simplest- what would a thirteen-year-old elven child be, compared to a human one of the same chronological age? I suppose in many ways it could depend on when and where they're raised, too.

Thanks again for the ideas to consider.

-GK


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Re: Question about age 01/07/2017 12:05 AM CST
One quirk with the age system is that the bottom threshold for player-character humans is 20 and for elves it is 30. Erithians and Half-Krolvin can be 15 and 16 respectively, which is interesting, because their age ranges go higher than humans (5 vs 40 year and 5 vs 7 year ratios.) Lore-wise 30 year old elves are surely supposed to be more immature than 20 year old humans. Though it is not clear if that would be physiologically apparent as opposed to merely emotionally.

The half-elves can give some additional benchmark for squaring the two things. The human 20-25 is 25-61 for half-elves. But the half-elven lore basically says they mature at the elven rates: "The child of the couple will be barely reaching emotional maturity at the time the human parent is in their dotage or already passed on. The elven parent is usually still in his or her youth or prime of life when having to deal with an elderly human spouse, creating uncommon pressures on the family."

My inclination is that elven races are supposed to be relatively undisciplined about developing skills quickly, reinforced by a cultural context where it takes much longer to make advancements within institutions. But it runs into our bias as players of overpowered freaks in a world that should be filled with level 0s. It was originally designed as a 20-ish level game, where an ordinary soldier might be evenly matched with a lesser orc, as opposed to an 8,000 year old elven sorcerer who might be level 40.

- Xorus' player



>Level: 46
>Strongest foe vanquished: an infernal lich
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Re: Question about age 02/25/2017 06:04 AM CST
Very good perspective Xorus. I had thought the PC's were more like Legolas and his father the Elven king Thranduil. While most elves (dark elves) are low level, most likely level 2-10, and bulk of humanity is like level 0-1. We PC's stand out, we are the exception.

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Aurach
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Re: Question about age 02/26/2017 03:51 AM CST
<<I had thought the PC's were more like Legolas and his father the Elven king Thranduil.>>

Distant "someday" post-cap goal on my list for Xorus has been two weapons combat because of that scene with Thranduil.

- Xorus' player



>Level: 46
>Strongest foe vanquished: an infernal lich
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Re: Question about age 03/14/2017 07:43 AM CDT
For myself, for my elven characters (of whatever flavor) that are over the age of.. 50ish, I try to come up with a reason that they are level 0, starting out. Could be a profession change (used to be a fighter, but discovered that their love was really magic), could be that until they left home for whatever reason, their abilities couldn't really grow (turns out to be a priest from a household that doesn't follow the Arkati), was a slave (so that one wasn't a dark elf..), had a completely non-combat related profession (was a merchant for their first 200 years, but is now an adventurer - might have to gloss over why they're not THAT good at trading starting out, or might just be that they never actually liked it), etc. Lots of good ways to do it that can help build the character and provide basis for how they ended up the way they are.
In terms of figuring out what kind of age they're equivalent to as a human, something else to consider is that there is a huge range of maturity even with humans of a particular age, so I would think that for elves it would be even more so. Humans are basically physically mature around 18, but not finished growing mentally until more like 25. I would think that for elves, that gap in difference between physical and mental maturity would be much longer. I do usually use the human chart to figure out roughly what the age my elven characters are mentally equivilent to in human terms, since that's all us actual humans really have to go on.
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