Yes, I know of Stance of Mongoose. Only available to a warrior or monk. I didn't see any other cman like it....I'd like to see a riposte that all can train in, but it won't be as effective as Stance of Mongoose and it doesn't stack with Stance of Mongoose, either.

CMAN Riposte
Available to: All
Mnemonic: Riposte
Cost: None
Roundtime: Passive
Requirements: Weapon suitable for melee attack or empty hand.
Notes: Does not stack with Stance of Mongoose. If Stance of Mongoose is active, it takes priority over Riposte.

Description:
If the defender successfully parries an attack while in a forward or greater stance, he or she may launch an automatic retaliatory melee or unarmed strike at -1 RT for first 4 ranks, -2 RT for 5th rank. The chance to launch this retaliatory strike is 5/10/15/20/30% at ranks 1/2/3/4/5, and such strikes are limited to once every (10 - Rank) seconds. The riposte attack is at -10/-8/-6/-4/0% of current AS (does not include blue crystal/spirit strike) at ranks 1/2/3/4/5.

Rank	Square	Semi	Pure
1	2	3	4
2	3	4	6
3	4	6	9
4	6	9	13
5	9	13	18

The benefits aren't super exciting and lack when compared to Stance of the Mongoose. Mongoose would be superior over this Riposte in every way. I'd like to have a chance to allow melee fighters to have an option of a bit more flare when they're fighting. If you can parry an attack, you should have a chance to riposte. I could see this working great for a character I'm working on. He's no warrior or monk, but he would like the ability to riposte after a successful parry.

Minimum (rank 1) rank of Mongoose you can retaliate every 5 seconds, have a 50% chance to retaliate and at -2 RT.
Minimum (rank 1) rank of Riposte you have 5% chance to retaliate every 9 seconds at -1 RT with a -10% to your AS.

Maxed (rank 3) Mongoose, 100% chance to retaliate, -2 RT and can retaliate every 3 seconds - only costs 24 CM to max
Maxed (rank 5) Riposte, 30% chance to retaliate, -2 RT with no AS penalty and can do it every 5 seconds. 24 CM for square, 35 CM for semi & 50 CM for pure to max.

-Drumpel

Counter proposal.. make maneuvers like mongoose available to everyone, but toss out geometric progression. As with trainable skills, make them incredibly expensive if they are intended for squares only. Something like:

Rank	Square	Semi	Pure
1	4	50	80
2	8	100	-
3	12	-	-

I agree it should be called riposte instead of mongoose, though. And that critters should have it.

Right. CM ranks are expensive enough that pure spellcasters typically don't pick up many of them (due to opportunity cost, "I can sink a ton of points into this for one measly rank that doesn't do much on its own, OR I can pick up a half a spell rank")...
...and then, due to the higher ranks-per-knowledge on the CMan research itself, it takes them longer to get any good with them, anyhow.

There's a whole raft of CMans that I'd like to see opened up with just the normal Square | Semi | Pure cost progression, because I know some of my Semi's would love to have them.

I would also like to see Shield (and Armor, but let's be honest: especially Shield) opened up the same way. You trained in a rank. You get to use it. What's the problem?

>Yes, yes please. Semi's should have some knowledge, pures should be able to dabble, while squares can easily master these...Well, I'm not so sure about armor, but certainly for shields. It would be nice to see some kind of benefit if a semi or pure could sink ranks into some Shield Specialization ranks.

Its not a square/semi thing. Paladins get them and monks don't.

Bash, Charge, and Phalanx are the ones that I'm interested in anyway. :)

>Skill based systems vs. class based systems. GS was mostly a skill based system, but more and more class features have been grafted on.

This is just what I'm getting at. Any pure can pick up ranks in MOC and use it to MSTRIKE. It is expensive for them to do this, but they can. I'd suggest MSTRIKE is a maneuver, and it's on par with (or better than) most combat maneuvers at their highest tier. Having a pure use maneuvers is no less logical than a warrior who can cast spells. Foraging isn't just for rangers. Picking isn't just for rogues. UAC isn't just for monks (and rogues). They just do it better.

>CM ranks are expensive enough that pure spellcasters typically don't pick up many of them (due to opportunity cost, "I can sink a ton of points into this for one measly rank that doesn't do much on its own, OR I can pick up a half a spell rank")...

Just make it expensive enough that it's a gimmick build, and not anywhere near as useful as putting the points elsewhere. This allows the option, without impacting the time-honored min/max decision to train better stuff.