The approved prize list has several items with little-to-no RP purpose in a group event setting.

When time permits in the future, I would like to suggest a review with an eye toward the Suggested Events from the new MHO page. For example, one of the suggested events is a fishing tournament, but we cannot have fishing poles in our PC's... I'd happily forgo a yo-yo, huggable toy, and flippable coin for a fishing pole, set of darts, or custom stationery.

/seo, wheels and skulls department/

I am seconding the inquiry about stationery, but I also have some questions about items that are permitted, which includes the following:
darts (game, not weapon)
wearable quills
wearable masks (that I believe to be similar to those sold in a Solhaven shop)
crystal holding jewelry
amulet holding jewelry
orb gems
runestone cutters

As well as some uncertainty about if teacups fall under the 'drink containers' description or if that is meant to refer to flasks.

Thank you.
Eiliriel

I am honestly floored that not only have the MHO system has been gutted to the point where it is hard enough to get participants due to the limit resources allowable when these changes were first introduced, but now the list of allowable items has been gutted. I am seriously concerned for the state of MHOs. I get that MHOs have gotten out of hand and have gone way beyond the point of where they were originally intended but this is just beyond what is necessary in my opinion.

I would like to +1 the request to add stationary and stationary accessories as allowable items for prize closets. They have broad and flexible roleplay appeal.

~Land Pirate Maylan~

One other clarification, please:

Our membership insignia counts as one of 5 prize closet items?

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Hey all, I totally get a lot of the responses, so I wanted to go through and address some. If multiple people said something in a similar way, I may be paraphrasing versus direct quoting a post, just FYI.

>>Item <X> is really valuable to our group to have available. Why was it not included?
>>Item <Y> seems unnecessary. Why was it included?

Addressing these concepts together, because they are related. There is a list of pretty common, open use scripts -- I kept those items in the closets (as long as they weren't combat-related). The other items are scripted and while often found in stores, etc. are not totally "hey, use at your will" scripts but require permissions from script owners.

The problem with this latter category is that it was kind of a "set it and forget it" permission, and people quickly forgot that they'd allowed these items to be used in a prize closet, so they were more available than perhaps initially intended.

>>This ruins/guts MHOs

I understand that massive changes like this can really feel that way. It's not intended. Indeed, by simplifying your requirements also, it's going to allow for more MHOs to be added to the system without killing staff commitment the way the old system did.

In addition, I have said from the beginning that once we got all the changes done and all the backlog caught up, that I would review and see where we can add benefits for you guys. I'm not lying when I say how much I respect our players and their MHOs and what you bring to the lands.

Getting someone to come to an MHO event can be hard, and I understand a lot of the scripted items you had in the closets were powerful incentives, but that wasn't the intent of the prize closets. They were to enhance, not be the reason.

From the beginning with these changes it was announced that the list would be drastically reduced. Originally the suggestion was to allow 1 item at entry tier and 5 items at the other tier, without any grandfathering, and that the allowable items revolve around insignia-like items. While this is a huge reduction from what you have, it's vastly greater than what the original plan was, and that is because we listened to your feedback on the grandfathering, and because we realized we needed to allow more than just insignia so you could do prizes and the like.

I still see several vibrant MHO events on the calendar, in news, in TownCrier, etc. and we want to encourage that to continue. You have less paperwork around those now (only have to submit 1 or 2), and all the access to HALL NEWS and CRIERs that you did before.

>>Does closing down the Prize Closet mean we will lose access to the few extra items that belong to the group which are kept in the trunk?

Yes, but those items won't be touched by me, so they'll be there when you get it back. If you need something, I recommend pulling it out. If you forget and desperately need something from it, let me know and I can help.

>>If I stock up on a few items I want for an event, will I get in trouble?

No. The same rules apply that have always applied -- they're not for personal use, of course. But if you are going to grab a few extras to use at an upcoming event, that will be fine.

>>Will you look at <X> and see about adding it in?

Yes, eventually. If someone wants to pull together a list of items they really would like to see back in the closets, I can review after I get this initial piece completed. I'll maintain copies of everything you have in your closets so if something gets added back in at a future date, we can work something out regarding that item.

Rather than be hit with 30 different emails though, I'd love it if someone wanted to track what comes up here and pulls it all together into 1 email. Easier to manage!

>>What are these things you are thinking of in the future?

Okay, no one asked this, but it does typically come up eventually. I'm hesitant to get specific because if I don't get permissions or decide to change course, it can be more frustrating than if you had never known I was considering it!

What I've said before and I'll stress here again is that I want to add in items to the MHO Halls that are automated (so beyond the original script writing, no GM intervention) that can add depth and flavour to your MHOs.

>> Our membership insignia counts as one of 5 prize closet items?

Yes.


--Xynwen--
World Team, MHO GM
>Emails for MHO business should go to GS4-MHO@PLAY.NET
"My real name is Mephistopheles, but you can call me baby"

BTW, based on feedback here and on Discord, I will look at a few of the prop items more quickly (banners, paper, darts, and masks).

I definitely understand how important a lot of these items are.

--Xynwen--
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>Emails for MHO business should go to GS4-MHO@PLAY.NET
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>BTW, based on feedback here and on Discord, I will look at a few of the prop items more quickly (banners, paper, darts, and masks).


Thank you, Xynwen!


On the Discord discussion about this, I believe some other people mentioned creating an open Google document for a list of common and well-loved items for review. That might also help. Until then, there was also a list in the channel that included some other favorites:

- Quills
- Crystal amulet holders
- Cigars/tobacco products and accessories
- Coffee/tea and accessories
- Teacups (if not otherwise included as drinking vessels)

I think we're all sympathetic to the huge amount of stuff-wrangling Elysani used to have to do and that you are now doing, and I very much understand the need to pare it down. It's good to see that there's some brass-tacks discussion now about which items deserve to stay on the list and get the most use from MHOs.

--- Lauren, Lylia's player

I appreciate your willingness to continue to engage in dialogue with us, Xynwen. Truly. Those fluff items I mentioned (tobacco, cigars, parchments, envelopes, etc) means more to us than anything.

Thanks, everyone! I appreciate the discussions here, and how great you all are!

CLARIFICATION:
* When you submit your grandfathered submissions, it should be for your 5 (1 insignia + 4 other) and up to an additional 25.
* If you have less than 30 items, you can simply tell me you want 100% of your prize closet grandfathered (as long as one of those is your insignia) that fit the required criteria

UPDATES TO LIST:
* The banner can stay in
* The stationery can stay in

Each of these are 1 specific script, so if you have something in the closet that uses a different script, I can recreate it to match the allowable scripts.

Darts are still under review. These are the only 3 immediate need scripts I'm reviewing right now. Once you've got a final wish list on the shared doc you guys were all chipping in on, get me a link, and I can add it to my to-do list down the road! I will maintain copies of your removed items, and if one of those scripts becomes allowable in the future, we can look at adding it in/swapping it out with something.

--Xynwen--
World Team, MHO GM
>Emails for MHO business should go to GS4-MHO@PLAY.NET
"My real name is Mephistopheles, but you can call me baby"

>>are these now on the allowable list, or are they only being grandfathered into existing prize closets?

Allowable list. And the only items that can be grandfathered have to be items on the allowable list.

--Xynwen--
World Team, MHO GM
>Emails for MHO business should go to GS4-MHO@PLAY.NET
"My real name is Mephistopheles, but you can call me baby"

Stationary includes just the paper or say the wax too?

-james, bristenn's player

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A giant white bunny hurls a powerful lightning bolt at you!

You evade the bolt by a hair!

>> Stationary includes just the paper or say the wax too?

Paper only

--Xynwen--
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>Emails for MHO business should go to GS4-MHO@PLAY.NET
"My real name is Mephistopheles, but you can call me baby"

> plume, feather, stylus, reed, or quill will work

So these can be added to the allowable list, unscripted plume/feather/stylus/reed/quill, as a writing instrument?

Thank you.
from Soliere's player

Thank you for the updates! Do the picture cards count as stationery items since you write on them?

Also, was it ever clarified whether teacups counted as drink containers?

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> plume, feather, stylus, reed, or quill will work

> So these can be added to the allowable list, unscripted plume/feather/stylus/reed/quill, as a writing instrument?

It's already covered under "non-combat, unscripted fluff such as clothing and jewelry." I know someone asked about masks, and I don't see any mask scripts that are allowed currently, but if you have an unscripted mask prop, that will be covered under this first category as well.

>> If the quill is not scripted, will it still function as a writing tool?... and are these the kind that are wearable?

For the script that goes on the stationery/paper that is being allowed to stay in the closet, the writing implement does not need to be scripted also - it only needs to have the nouns I stated.

I've not seen wearable quills, but they will either be an unscripted prop that is wearable or a scripted item. The latter wouldn't be allowed in the prize closet, but if it had the right noun, it would work with the paper.

>>Do the picture cards count as stationery items since you write on them?

It's totally going to depend on what script it uses. If it's the stationery one, it will. If it's not, it won't. It looks like this was the only paper script allowed in the prize closets, so it should be okay. Also, see my end statement below.

>> Also, was it ever clarified whether teacups counted as drink containers?

If they have the drink container script, they'll count. If they are their own script, they won't.

NOTE ON SCRIPTS:
I do recognize that you will not know if the script on an item is allowable if it is something like paper/notecard/teacup/banner...things where there may be multiple scripts, etc. You can always include it in your list as a possibility to keep and have a spare item to add in if winds up being not allowable.

On a case-by-case basis, if it makes sense, I can look at creating a new item with the same description but with the approved script. For example, if you have a writing implement that is scripted but has a cool look you want for your MHO, I can create an unscripted version of it instead. It will just be a prop but will work with the stationery that is staying in your MHO (but may not work with other paper-based scripts). This is not be offering to create a brand new item that wasn't already in there -- if you didn't have a quill, I'm not making you a new one, for example, but if you did have one and it was scripted and you wanted to have an unscripted version stick around, I can review.

--Xynwen--
World Team, MHO GM
>Emails for MHO business should go to GS4-MHO@PLAY.NET
"My real name is Mephistopheles, but you can call me baby"

> Looks like plume, feather, stylus, reed, or quill will work, and it doesn't need to be scripted. Hope that helps!

Thank you, this assuages the concerns from my corner!

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> if you did have one and it was scripted and you wanted to have an unscripted version stick around, I can review.

oh yay. no. Yay. no. BIG YAY!! no no. QUADRUPLE BIG YAY!!!! WHEEE!!!!

Thank you!
from Soliere's player

You hear a voice trailing off into the distance... "NO.. NO ... NOO!!!!! NonaSestaPentaQuadraHeptuple BIG YAAAAAaaaaaayyyyy..."

Over the weekend I'll see if anyone else has anymore reasonable suggestions for the document (or if they have any now after reading this, feel free to add, the link is https://tinyurl.com/k5h4bndc ), and let you know on the officials here by Sunday night when I think we have a pretty finalized list.

We've had a couple weeks to do this (and while I've been almost totally removed from game stuff due to IRL) I feel we've had a pretty ample amount of time to get this to you. Just final touches and all.

-james, bristenn's player

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You think to yourself, "FFF-"

A giant white bunny hurls a powerful lightning bolt at you!

You evade the bolt by a hair!

Thanks, Bristenn!

--Xynwen--
World Team, MHO GM
>Emails for MHO business should go to GS4-MHO@PLAY.NET
"My real name is Mephistopheles, but you can call me baby"