Discouraging m attempts at RP. 02/23/2016 12:20 PM CST
Hello, I am currently playing a character named Grrahh who is a deaf mute warrior. This is an incredibly difficult RP task as you might imagine. Last evening I was in the landing drawing on the ground, which is my normal method of communicating questions to people.

Questions like:
Can you tell me your life story?
Have you ever been enslaved? (This is asked because Grrahh is an escaped slave, which he conveys through his drawings quite affectively.)

I ask if anyone can open a box by gazing, growling, peering through the keyhole, shaking and gnawing on my boxes - this seems to get the result I want. I tend to hum off key (I guess I like the vibration in my head as I can't hear the sounds).

For Grrahh I extensively use the Act command as I have for years when RPing, usually to good affect - however not always. Sometimes I have trouble typing, primarily because I have a form of muscular dystrophy that affects my hand's
strength and dexterity - none the less I try to keep errors to a minimum. On days when I find it impossible to type I play characters that are less typing dependent.

Last night I was RPing with a group of people and I thought we were all enjoying it, but apparently I was wrong - for out of the blue I got an OOC comment. A very short OOC discussion ensued. Here it is in a nutshell.

(OOC) I*a's player whispers, "Just in case no one told you - you SUCK at acts. Take that shit to a room."
This line was repeated 4 times and after some thought and annoyance I responded:
(OOC) You quietly whisper to I*a, "GM's don't think so - have many RP awards for my efforts."
To which I received the following comment:
(OOC) I*a's player whispers, "Thats like saying... losers with no life like my textual flubs. Seriously."

Grrahh feeling discouraged stood up and promptly logged off - the last thing in the log was this:
I*a adopts an agreeable expression.

I wish to say - I was hurt and Ticked Off, but I
handled it poorly as well - I left my RPing companions so abruptly and without waving goodbye. As for textual flubs - I am sorry - I do my very best - please try to ignore them and know that not everyone has the skills you possess.

I hesitated posting this - but I can't get it out of my head till I tell someone that understands my love of RP. Many of you share that love - so I tell you here.

As to the person who Grrahh apparently offended with my manual stumbling, I apologize, but may I make a suggestion? Why not suggest alternative RP methods to improve the RP experience for everyone?
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Re: Discouraging m attempts at RP. 02/23/2016 12:37 PM CST
I approve the intent behind this post. Thank you for sharing. And know that there will always be some who won't agree - and may choose to disagree only by being disagreeable. Find the right way (for you / your character) to disengage, and simply move on to those of us who do appreciate it.

Keep plugging along!

Doug
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Re: Discouraging m attempts at RP. 02/23/2016 12:51 PM CST

Thank you, Doug.

Just posting it made me feel better - it's hard to believe the degree to which these characters become a part of us, the player. Or perhaps they are just an extension of us? Either way, thanks for your comment.
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Re: Discouraging m attempts at RP. 02/23/2016 01:11 PM CST
I saw Grahh the other day in TSC and thought 'this dude is neat.' Don't get discouraged, bruh- haters always gon hate, but those of us who encourage creativity notice and appreciate.

-james, bristenn's player


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A giant white bunny hurls a powerful lightning bolt at you!
You evade the bolt by a hair!

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Re: Discouraging m attempts at RP. 02/23/2016 01:24 PM CST
For myself, I can only say, mad props for taking on the project of portraying a deaf-mute. I have neither the stones nor the chops for that sort of thing, and I can't fathom many do. Haters gonna hate, RPers gonna appreciate the challenge you're taking on and respect the hell out of you for it.

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Laelithonel: it's exciting. i'd love the wheel. i know eating it will kill me
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Re: Discouraging m attempts at RP. 02/23/2016 02:01 PM CST
Nothing's more discouraging than having people tear down your efforts -- which, by the way, sound pretty fine if you're trying something as ambitious as playing someone who doesn't speak -- without any suggestions on how to improve. I wasn't there and don't know what your ACTs and drawings looked like, but I doubt they could have been off-putting enough to warrant repeated insults, even if you had a typo here or there in them.

You're very right: We never know what other players are dealing with. If someone sees RP that just offends their sensibilities for whatever reason, go elsewhere or offer a few constructive whispers.
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Re: Discouraging m attempts at RP. 02/23/2016 02:44 PM CST


Let me be another one that will encourage you to continue to rp. Very interesting idea and one i the player will enjoy watching. I do know there was a chalk board someone playing a mute used to communicate. Maybe that will help with the rp. As for those that put rp down...ignore them. Enjoy the rp and here is hoping that you find a good place for him
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Re: Discouraging m attempts at RP. 02/23/2016 03:28 PM CST


Agreed! I saw you in TSC as well. You were doing a marvelous job. There was nothing about your rp that anyone should have found off putting or offensive.

Perhaps the person whispering to you was under the influence of ol green eyes.


Lasindrial
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Re: Discouraging m attempts at RP. 02/23/2016 04:28 PM CST
I have seen more than one poorly RP-ed deaf mute character in my time playing, so I'm always a little on-edge when I meet another one. You do a good job, even if the character who ran into you treated yours with annoyance and disdain. (Roleplaying!)
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Re: Discouraging m attempts at RP. 02/23/2016 04:41 PM CST

Thank you for your kind words.
Had the person hassled me in character, I could have played to it - but going to OOC to insult me made it impossible to react in an In-Character based way and have anyone else know why I was reacting. :)
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Re: Discouraging m attempts at RP. 02/23/2016 04:54 PM CST
Someone is always going to hate your RP.

That's something I've just come to accept. Not just some character, but some player is going to HATE what you're doing..and that's ok. It happens to us all, I do believe. I've had characters that grated on ME personally and as a result I just have to remove Stormy from those situations (though I would never OOC whisper with such disregard for the other person involved. That's just rude).

I'm sorry you dealt with that level of non-constructive criticism. I find your character to be a blast and I have enjoyed our interactions --even if Stormy is making up her own stories in her head regardless of what he's ACTUALLY trying to convey (or what his ACTUAL name is..)

Keep doing what you're doing--it's great to see deaf/mute characters around. Mnute is one of my all time favorite characters and not long ago there was a "mute" character named Allerrin running around who was also fun.

I'm glad there are those of you willing to take on (torture yourselves with?) that type of a difficult situation.

~Nichoel, the Muse.

Nature of rebellion, means to an end. Sometimes men are tempted by money and power and they forget what end they're serving. ~Brendan Roarke, SOA Irish King

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Re: Discouraging m attempts at RP. 02/23/2016 06:14 PM CST
I think everyone has already said, nicely, what I was thinking when I read your post. I can echo the sentiment- someone is always going to "not like" the route you're taking with your own RP. It's happened to everyone, at some point, and can be quite frustrating.

My advice is to ignore the idea that there's a wrong way to do it, and to continue doing the things that are challenging and fun for you.

Don't give up and keep doing your thing!

Christine


<<Pylasar pins an honorary citizenship badge on the haughty black cat.>>
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Re: Discouraging m attempts at RP. 02/23/2016 06:20 PM CST
You (or, your character's behavior) were brought to my attention by some of the mentors who told me you were doing a fantastic job handling the portrayal of a deaf-mute.

Don't let haters get you down. Keep up the RP - I commend you for playing your character passionately. It can be very discouraging when others feel the need to whisper such abrupt things, but I can tell you that your efforts at roleplaying your character have been noticed -- and are appreciated by many.

~ Haliste ~
The Forest Gnome of Silverwood Manor
ASGM, World Development
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Re: Discouraging m attempts at RP. 02/23/2016 10:45 PM CST
After seeing your post I thought of a couple things.
But first off, Yea! I think your doing great and realy enjoy you about.

1. You seem to only use ACT. Ya might try the Smile verb. It can do wonders. Experiment with it and see what you can come up with.

2. I asked a friend who uses a tablet how he got it. He gave me this .... Http://www.virilneus.com/shops/...then he can enter chalkboard in the search engine."
Hope something there can help ya out.

Again, yer doing great! Don't despair.

Goldstr/Ralph
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Re: Discouraging m attempts at RP. 02/24/2016 12:55 AM CST
>>(OOC) I*a's player whispers, "Thats like saying... losers with no life like my textual flubs. Seriously."

That should have told you all you needed to know about the person posting it. No respect for the GMs or the game. Just keep doing what you are doing. I have not run into you in game so far, but the people who have posted compliments here would carry a lot more weight with me than the type of person who would post that line above. You are obviously doing a good job. Stay with it.

--David

"At a moment like this, I can't help but wonder, 'What would Jimmy Buffett do?'"
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Re: Discouraging m attempts at RP. 02/24/2016 01:43 PM CST
Wow... well I haven't seen your character myself but lots of good vibes here!
It cannot be an easy task you've assigned yourself. I've never met a deaf & mute char. I did have a very good friend who's Sylvan char couldn't speak common, so I had to translate for him as he learned. That was actually pretty fun!


I agree consider the words that are spewing from the source.

The way I see it, there are 2 types.
1: People that RP: I've never considered any attempts at RP "bad." There may be personalities that are played that I don't enjoy (like the town wench type) so I just avoid interaction with them in those situations. Still treat them with respect and help when needed until/unless they actually wrong my character.

2: People that don't RP. This is a paraphrase of something I heard the other day, CharacterX says "I don't know why I got hit my DS is 240" CharacterY scratches his head and says something about "numbers?"... I just rolled my eyes (irl) and continued on.

This causes some minor concern for me as my youngest child just started playing the game and is not a very fast typer, and is also worried about grammar and I simply said, hey most of the people here don't do grammar very well (or use complex words) LOL

I explained ic & ooc, and the smile and act verbs, and how to NOT use them out of context. As she's still learning how to RP I don't think there's a devoloped sense of her character quite yet and that's ok, but the character already made a friend in rats, when I wasn't around. We ran into the friend the other night and were all talking about the trek to the Landing, and she's sitting next to me, looking at the map, and says to me, there's level 30 things on the way? I said yes, neither of you would probably make it (they're both around 3-4 trainings.) She advises her friend, something like "I heard there are some pretty big beasts on the way" so I have faith, she'll be ok :)

People RP or they don't RP. :)
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Re: Discouraging m attempts at RP. 02/24/2016 11:25 PM CST
I wanted to start this comment with a simple thank you to all that have responded - I have read every post and they have all made me feel more comfortable in Grrahh's skin.

Yesterday Chamorr taught Grrahh to use the amulet to communicate and if absolutely necessary will use that method. He understands the basics of what is happening with the Amunet, but finds the process unappealing and somewhat frightening. He is used to hearing his own alter-egos arguing in his head over the merits of this decision and that, but finds it rather alarming hearing other peoples voices in there co-mingled with his own. (plus using the amunet takes the fun out of the RP. I understand the need for a quick thought here and there at times, but don't wish it to become an alternative standard for communication. I love the challenge and the frustration of trying to convey a complex thought in picture and sometimes failing immensely. Sometimes failure can be more fun than success.) (I also have gained a new respect for the GMs that create quests and try to guide them in specific directions - I am finding my best laid plans can go horribly awry when interacting with other people.)

As for your daughter, I don't think you should worry - it sounds as if she is grasping the RP world better than most newbies. (After all she has a great instructor and guide. And a built in hero in times of trouble.) Some time set her down with Grrahh, I learn through interactions of all sorts - but warn her, communicating even small things can be a time consuming challenge with Grrahh.

OOC hint: If I ever draw a map with a child of your race at one end and a fully grown person of your race at the other end - I may be asking you to tell me your life story in drawings. Especially true if I hand you the dagger I draw in the dirt with. :)
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Re: Discouraging m attempts at RP. 02/25/2016 11:56 AM CST
I've had fun interacting with Grrahh. Thanks for the spearmint! Lol.
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Re: Discouraging m attempts at RP. 03/03/2016 08:37 PM CST
To the player behind Grrahh,

A night or two ago, someone REPORTed that it seemed you were having problems understanding the Adventurer's Guild, and hoped someone could help.

I peeked in, and immediately saw what you were RPing. Please know that several of us "up above" were tickled to see your efforts, and that RPA was from me.

I rarely, if ever, tell people when I give RPAs, but your post touched me. Keep it up, and don't feed the trolls.



~Liia
APM, Events & World Development

Dear My Favoritest Liia,
How do I love thee? Let me count the ways. I love thee to the depth and breadth and height my barbie-loving soul can reach... (even when you set me on fire)
~Issalya
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Re: Discouraging m attempts at RP. 03/03/2016 09:36 PM CST

It is nice to see more good and willing players arrive, good luck and have fun!

Askip

:D
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Re: Discouraging m attempts at RP. 03/05/2016 03:46 AM CST

Bit late to responding, but one thing that comes to mind; if you are having days where it is harder to type and having issues with typos and the like, perhaps on a good day make a word document and populate it with a number of ACTs and SMILEs that you use more frequently. I do this for certain tasks that I feel are of particular importance to make sure I avoid errors. I have an initiation ceremony, for example, where I just add the new persons name in and C/P. Back when Gwen was still playing she actually wrote a few scripts to completely automate a staged interaction. I doubt most would go to that length, but it's something to consider. Or create some aliases or macros that require you to just input the intended target. Things like that.

Also, someone above mentioned a chalkboard option. If you haven't found one, but would like to consider that route, I have an extra slate with chalk if you'd like it. Just contact Japhrimel IG and remind me and I'll dig it up.
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Re: Discouraging m attempts at RP. 03/06/2016 01:05 AM CST

Thanks for the offer - I was given a chalkboard by Daenalan the other night and use it a lot. Also have added barks and bristles to my RP and a few prescripted function keys. When my hands get really bad, I switch tend to switch to less typing intensive characters.
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Re: Discouraging m attempts at RP. 03/10/2016 06:12 AM CST
I've been around TSC on guild nights most weeks with my sorcerer and ran into you once or twice.

It's definitely nice to see much of any RP there, but keep in mind it's a bit of a happening place that people often come for mass spells, healing, etc, and not necessarily RP.

That's not at all to discourage the effort, but honestly it's one of the hardest places for me to seriously get into RP. It's a bit of a double-edged sword, though. Find somewhere quieter and there won't be nearly as many people to interact with. On the other hand, you're extremely unlikely to get the kind of OOC whisper somewhere other than TSC I imagine (am I right assuming that is where it happened?)



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Re: Discouraging m attempts at RP. 03/10/2016 03:05 PM CST


It is really too bad there are not places where rp minded people gather. Many Muds have taverns where people gather. I know it is difficult because if you spend all your rest time in say....Helga's, you are likely to miss any mass spells cast in TSC.
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Re: Discouraging m attempts at RP. 03/10/2016 04:34 PM CST


To me TSC is a wonderful place to rp. I like the noise and the big groups. To me its just as the name implies...the center of town. When ever rp was deligated to a less crowded room i always hear about the stigma of it being for "elitist rpers" and not as welcoming to outsiders. Not saying i agree or disagree but its comments i have heard before. At least in TSC you get the attention of a large number of people including those that dont normally realize something is going on or where the "rp room" is at.
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Re: Discouraging m attempts at RP. 05/08/2016 12:21 PM CDT
I've nothing to add except that I hope you keep on truckin', and if it helps, maybe make use of the squelching feature on the Stormfront FE (or at least change the font color to something less noticeable - like grey) to ignore people like that. They're not worth your time, period. Hope to meet Grrahh some time.

~Arrec's player
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Re: Discouraging m attempts at RP. 06/07/2016 09:57 PM CDT
Just adding my voice to those who love having Grrahh (or however you spell it) in the game. You're - IMHO - doing a great job with a challenging role. Keep up the good work.

-Player of Noldi
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