Lock picking question 08/07/2021 09:28 PM CDT
The Wiki says the following:

>Lock Mastery has been updated to grant LMASTER FOCUS at rank 1.
>(2*LM rank + (dex OR int bonus / 2)) for LM FOCUS. DEX for PICKLOCK and DISARM, INT for DETECT
>May be stopped using STOP LMASTER FOCUS
>This bonus is mutually exclusive with Lock Pick Enhancement (403) and Disarm Enhancement (404), and the higher bonus will be used.

OK, that all makes sense--but is there a way to determine whether the LMASTER FOCUS bonus or the 403 and 404 bonuses are higher? If the LMASTER FOCUS is higher, I am not using 403 and 44 anyway and might as well drop them. But how does one know which bonus is higher?

Thanks.

--David

"At a moment like this, I can't help but wonder, 'What would Jimmy Buffett do?'"
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Re: Lock picking question 08/07/2021 11:36 PM CDT
This is precisely what's kept me from using it... the only way I know of atm is trial and error...

Starchitin, the OG

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Re: Lock picking question 08/08/2021 02:56 AM CDT
Just do the math? 403/404 in the wiki have the formula for their bonuses.

- Andreas
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Re: Lock picking question 08/08/2021 02:33 PM CDT
If you have lich...

focusvsspells should do the calculations for you using your current training/ranks.

- Andreas
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Re: Lock picking question 08/08/2021 05:34 PM CDT
Looks to me that once you've mastered LM, the situations where it would pay to use 403 are pretty esoteric. If you've mastered LM and don't want to keep 404, untrain it. The sort of character that might want to use 403 after mastering LM is a very magical rogue going for a record lock right at their limit on an invasion box.
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Re: Lock picking question 08/08/2021 08:32 PM CDT
>Just do the math? 403/404 in the wiki have the formula for their bonuses.

I didn't think the 403 and 4o4 formulas were there. I see now they are, but I find them pretty confusing. Specifically, I do not understand what the MIN at the beginning of the formula refers to. Not a big math guy here.

--David

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Re: Lock picking question 08/08/2021 08:35 PM CDT
>focusvsspells should do the calculations for you using your current training/ranks.

Thanks, Andreas. I will give that a try.

--David

"At a moment like this, I can't help but wonder, 'What would Jimmy Buffett do?'"
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Re: Lock picking question 08/08/2021 08:36 PM CDT
>Looks to me that once you've mastered LM, the situations where it would pay to use 403 are pretty esoteric. If you've mastered LM and don't want to keep 404, untrain it. The sort of character that might want to use 403 after mastering LM is a very magical rogue going for a record lock right at their limit on an invasion box.

Just anecdotally, I agree. With no evidence other than impressions, focus seems stronger. But I'd like to be sure before taking the step to untrain. I suspect you are right, though, and thanks for the response.

--David

"At a moment like this, I can't help but wonder, 'What would Jimmy Buffett do?'"
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Re: Lock picking question 08/09/2021 11:22 AM CDT
>>I didn't think the 403 and 4o4 formulas were there. I see now they are, but I find them pretty confusing. Specifically, I do not understand what the MIN at the beginning of the formula refers to. Not a big math guy here.

MIN in that case is saying to choose the minimum of the two. Basically, 403/404 can't give you more of a bonus than your lockpicking/trap lore skill. TRUNC(ate) means drop anything after the decimal.

>>>focusvsspells should do the calculations for you using your current training/ranks.

>>Thanks, Andreas. I will give that a try.

Hope it's helpful. If anyone spots an issue with it, just let me know.


- Andreas
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Re: Lock picking question 08/09/2021 11:23 AM CDT
>>Looks to me that once you've mastered LM, the situations where it would pay to use 403 are pretty esoteric. If you've mastered LM and don't want to keep 404, untrain it. The sort of character that might want to use 403 after mastering LM is a very magical rogue going for a record lock right at their limit on an invasion box.

Agreed. I dropped all spells on my picking rogues that have LM, and will drop them on the others once they get mastered. Though I found my level 60ish rogue got more bonus from lm focus unmastered than 403 fairly quickly.

- Andreas
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Re: Lock picking question 08/09/2021 04:17 PM CDT
<Looks to me that once you've mastered LM, the situations where it would pay to use 403 are pretty esoteric. If you've mastered LM and don't want to keep 404, untrain it. The sort of character that might want to use 403 after mastering LM is a very magical rogue going for a record lock right at their limit on an invasion box.>

Played around with it this morning and that seems to be the case for my level 98 locksmith. Still figuring out exactly where the point is that invar stops being effective and I need to start using vaalin while it's running, but I think I'll eventually drop the spells/harness power.

Not sure what I'll get with those TPs since it's too much of a pain to get anywhere he can actually hunt, but at least I can pick without taking off his kroderine brig now.

Starchitin, the OG

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