So I won a 6x buckler at the TT tonight and my plan is to have it replace the 5x medium shield my ranger uses. The thing is my ranger is 1x Shield Use and .5x Dodge... and I don't have the TPs to increase her Dodge to 1x.
Will I be shooting myself in the foot by using the buckler or will the higher enchant still be preferable even though the dodge training isn't ideal for a small shield?
Starchitin, the OG
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OM1E5GA
RATHBONER
Re: Medium vrs small shield
10/18/2019 06:47 AM CDT
Its probably pretty close but you need to test to be sure, because spell training, race/stats, and what sort of attack you are most concerned about play into it too.
My rule of thumb is to switch to buckler when you have 50 more ranks of dodge than shield, and with stats and spells you are probably pretty close to that.
My rule of thumb is to switch to buckler when you have 50 more ranks of dodge than shield, and with stats and spells you are probably pretty close to that.
OM1E5GA
Re: Medium vrs small shield
10/18/2019 08:13 AM CDT
Thanks for the response.
I figured the buckler would help against the maneuvers I am/will be facing (twin hammerfists, shield bash, charge, trip) but not be as good against the bolt spells/ranged attacks I'll be facing in the same areas. So, from that perspective it's kind of a wash. Maybe I'll hold onto the medium shield and switch between them depending on which specific critter I'm focusing on for guild tasks.... at least until I can get some more Dodge ranks.
Starchitin, the OG
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I figured the buckler would help against the maneuvers I am/will be facing (twin hammerfists, shield bash, charge, trip) but not be as good against the bolt spells/ranged attacks I'll be facing in the same areas. So, from that perspective it's kind of a wash. Maybe I'll hold onto the medium shield and switch between them depending on which specific critter I'm focusing on for guild tasks.... at least until I can get some more Dodge ranks.
Starchitin, the OG
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THROGG
Re: Medium vrs small shield
10/23/2019 06:58 PM CDT
>"but not be as good against the bolt spells/ranged attacks I'll be facing"<
I picked up a veil iron buckler for my rogue; with an anti-magic shield like that she has trained in all the spell deflection/avoidance skills available, including Shield Mind. I had my near cap wizard friend try to hit her with various bolt/ball/CS spells, and nothing struck her. You might want to look for such an item.
"So, what does that green line on the graph represent?"
"Oh, that's the projection of a hypothetical offspring from a union between Sauron and Cruella de Ville;
we use that as a baseline for determining character alignment."
I picked up a veil iron buckler for my rogue; with an anti-magic shield like that she has trained in all the spell deflection/avoidance skills available, including Shield Mind. I had my near cap wizard friend try to hit her with various bolt/ball/CS spells, and nothing struck her. You might want to look for such an item.
"So, what does that green line on the graph represent?"
"Oh, that's the projection of a hypothetical offspring from a union between Sauron and Cruella de Ville;
we use that as a baseline for determining character alignment."
OM1E5GA
Re: Medium vrs small shield
10/23/2019 10:25 PM CDT
Sept rangers don't have access any SHIELD maneuvers at all, meaning veil iron isn't any better then any other 5x shield to them.
Starchitin, the OG
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Starchitin, the OG
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KRAKII
Re: Medium vrs small shield
10/24/2019 08:48 AM CDT
Including "not even through the CMan side", which is even worse.
I agree overall that the Shield stuff should be made available to other professions. Their ranks of the skill already cost more [so opportunity cost], and the precedent exists for "Square | Semi | Spellcaster" cost progression [so time/progress cost]... why not?
So the Square gets to know 4-5 Shield things all the way to mastery, and the Semi only 2-3, and the Pure only 1.
That's fair, and reasonable, and works within the structure of existing progress.
It's not like the Semi or Spellcaster being able to know their (limited) list somehow detracts from the abilities of the Square...
I agree overall that the Shield stuff should be made available to other professions. Their ranks of the skill already cost more [so opportunity cost], and the precedent exists for "Square | Semi | Spellcaster" cost progression [so time/progress cost]... why not?
So the Square gets to know 4-5 Shield things all the way to mastery, and the Semi only 2-3, and the Pure only 1.
That's fair, and reasonable, and works within the structure of existing progress.
It's not like the Semi or Spellcaster being able to know their (limited) list somehow detracts from the abilities of the Square...
THROGG
Re: Medium vrs small shield
10/26/2019 11:11 AM CDT
NO shield maneuvers at all for Rangers?? Well, that sucks. I assume that it's also true for the other semis?
"So, what does that green line on the graph represent?"
"Oh, that's the projection of a hypothetical offspring from a union between Sauron and Cruella de Ville;
we use that as a baseline for determining character alignment."
"So, what does that green line on the graph represent?"
"Oh, that's the projection of a hypothetical offspring from a union between Sauron and Cruella de Ville;
we use that as a baseline for determining character alignment."
OM1E5GA
Re: Medium vrs small shield
10/26/2019 12:56 PM CDT
<NO shield maneuvers at all for Rangers?? Well, that sucks. I assume that it's also true for the other semis?>
Warriors, rogues, and paladins have access to them, the other professions don't.
Starchitin, the OG
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Warriors, rogues, and paladins have access to them, the other professions don't.
Starchitin, the OG
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THROGG
Re: Medium vrs small shield
10/26/2019 01:22 PM CDT
News flash: My bard also has access to shield maneuvers. Apparently the only semi that get screwed over here are the rangers.
"So, what does that green line on the graph represent?"
"Oh, that's the projection of a hypothetical offspring from a union between Sauron and Cruella de Ville;
we use that as a baseline for determining character alignment."
"So, what does that green line on the graph represent?"
"Oh, that's the projection of a hypothetical offspring from a union between Sauron and Cruella de Ville;
we use that as a baseline for determining character alignment."
THROGG
Re: Medium vrs small shield
10/26/2019 01:30 PM CDT
Hmm, are monks considered semis or squares? In either case, they seem to have no shield skills either.
"So, what does that green line on the graph represent?"
"Oh, that's the projection of a hypothetical offspring from a union between Sauron and Cruella de Ville;
we use that as a baseline for determining character alignment."
"So, what does that green line on the graph represent?"
"Oh, that's the projection of a hypothetical offspring from a union between Sauron and Cruella de Ville;
we use that as a baseline for determining character alignment."
COSTELLOK
Re: Medium vrs small shield
10/28/2019 03:18 AM CDT
Throgg,
You seem to be mistaken on your bard. Typing Shield Profession in game, I get
"Fyonn, the following Shield Specializations are accessible to your profession (Bard):
There are no Shield Specializations currently implemented for this profession."
I can get a couple shield skills (e.g. Shield Bash) through the combat maneuver system, but Rangers can do the same.
Fyonn's player
You seem to be mistaken on your bard. Typing Shield Profession in game, I get
"Fyonn, the following Shield Specializations are accessible to your profession (Bard):
There are no Shield Specializations currently implemented for this profession."
I can get a couple shield skills (e.g. Shield Bash) through the combat maneuver system, but Rangers can do the same.
Fyonn's player
KRAKII
Re: Medium vrs small shield
10/28/2019 08:33 AM CDT
The Bard has access to CMans (which happen to involve the Shield, like Shield Bash).
However, this is the "opportunity cost" that I already made mention of:
instead of using points that you get from training Shield Use skill (i.e. "free"),
you have to use the points that you get from training in Combat Maneuvers (i.e. "denying yourself access to other CMans").
However, this is the "opportunity cost" that I already made mention of:
instead of using points that you get from training Shield Use skill (i.e. "free"),
you have to use the points that you get from training in Combat Maneuvers (i.e. "denying yourself access to other CMans").
