I was chatting with someone yesterday about familiars and having to have the talisman out to do anything with them. I know that we were told a very long time ago that it's a system limitation, and not something that's likely to change.

However, we both came up with different ways of getting around this problem. I'll post mine and allow him to post his.

Give Warrior Mages the slip ability that Thieves have, but limit it to only work with talismans. That way I can slip out my talisman, use it, and slip it away. Simple work around, the code already exists and restrictions are also already in place as well.

This would allow us to use them without everyone seeing us take out our talisman.

>>Give Warrior Mages the slip ability that Thieves have, but limit it to only work with talismans. That way I can slip out my talisman, use it, and slip it away. Simple work around, the code already exists and restrictions are also already in place as well.

I was thinking about this the other day. I'd love to see slip opened up to everyone, only for the hand and with a perception check. If so, bards need more slip options.

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"Game balance is sobbing over in the corner as it considers the ramifications of AoE Blufmor Garaen. Your spell slots send their condolences." - GM Raesh

The talisman isn't going away, either ICly or OOCly. It is an IC thing and a system requirement that would be rather hellish (possible, but hellish) to remove. For comparison, I had an emotional investment in making Risen control itemless but we weren't able to reasonably do it when we tried.

I'll look into if wearable talismans would break anything funny.

-Armifer
"Perinthia's astronomers are faced with a difficult choice. Either they must admit that all their calculations were wrong ... or else they must reveal that the order of the gods is reflected exactly in the city of monsters." - Calvino Italo

>>I agree that it's an IC thing, but I also think that as a high level mage Binu could put his hand in his pocket to touch the talisman and control his familiar that way. This is the reasoning I used for giving us something like slip, but only for talismans.

Slip really doesn't work that way. You have to enter a command that has a 2-3 second RT attached to it. There are no slips that just automatically work without the player entering the slip command. If WMs were to get slip it wouldn't actually help you as it would take 2 seconds to get the talisman out then put it back up. GET and PUT work much quicker.

Turning slip into something that worked automatically without RT would mean WMs would have a better slip than any other survival prime (or bard).

>>Slip really doesn't work that way. You have to enter a command that has a 2-3 second RT attached to it. There are no slips that just automatically work without the player entering the slip command. If WMs were to get slip it wouldn't actually help you as it would take 2 seconds to get the talisman out then put it back up. GET and PUT work much quicker.

>>Turning slip into something that worked automatically without RT would mean WMs would have a better slip than any other survival prime (or bard).

I'm fine with the roundtime. I never meant that we shouldn't have roundtime, I just forgot to mention it. I'd happily have 3 second roundtime on it, since we're survival tert, just to be able to avoid everyone seeing me take out the talisman every time.

Worn talismans have been requested for years and it makes sense. Maybe as a chain you can buy in the upcoming fest or as part of the engineering profession. Attach them to a talisman. Always a risk to break, but high skill mitigates much of this risk.

As for using, make it like cambrinth. Small talismans can be manipulated while worn with moderately low skill. Level 20ish or so. By level 40-50 you're able to do large talismans. By 60-70 you're able to do Dark talismans and 100+ can do Fir Talismans.

I believe 100+ in Summoning is what was referred, unless I misunderstood. Wearable familiar discussions go way back to 1999 or thereabouts. I believe I started then when Blacklark and Frogspawn posted on the boards.

I believe we could put a chain through the wood before we started carving the talisman for the familiar. Existing ones should require skill to drill a hole through without damaging the link to the familiar. Now, which skill or skills for this... Summoning and Mech Lore/Engineering/something?

-Dartellum Waddle

>>Armifer

Sounds good, thanks.

This is probably just the same/similar logic you'd have to use to make the wearable work but... What if we had an item we could fit all our talismans in, and it would just rotate which one was on 'top'(the only one in use). This item would use code to relay our commands to the talisman, so something like -tap item- would then effect the 'top talisman', by inserting a snippit of code to make it think that you did the same thing as -player holds- and -player summon fam command-. The item could be anything, worn or not worn.

Ideas for item- puzzle box, staff(combined with ritual foci?), a chain, a bandoleer, special shield(talismans on the inside), key ring type thing, mechanical device like the goggles that changes lenses when you turn them, something like that grey orb the mentors made a few years ago, I'd say gauntlets/weapons but why would you want to risk damaging the talismans...


~Worrclan, Dwarf of the Realms-

>A scurffy bear in a latex jumpsuit with a grid of pins stuck into its face charges in, and abruptly stops, looking up at you.


That took me a second.

>>Naw that would be more a necromancer fam...

The problem with being so short, all the good jokes go right over your head.

"Game balance is sobbing over in the corner as it considers the ramifications of AoE Blufmor Garaen. Your spell slots send their condolences." - GM Raesh

>If rangers can shoot bees from their fingers I wanna have a talisman-smartwatch that shoots out bears

But, Rangers can't shoot bees from their fingers so that means no go-go-gadget wristwatch for you!

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Geva is unlikely to appreciate your gift.

Oh no, necros are gonna need a type of talisman for their Risen? A necklace of ears? A withered finger?

>>Oh no, necros are gonna need a type of talisman for their Risen? A necklace of ears? A withered finger?

>A music box, obviously.

Organ grinder.

(See what I did there?)

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>whisper card geva
Geva is unlikely to appreciate your gift.

I concur!

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