Damn you, and I thought I had my spell choices and slot usage all worked out...

>>Aether Cloak requires Veil of Ice now.

Frowny face- I was hoping to just pass on the entire water book probably... also it prevents a fire cabalist from picking up MOF... I guess you have to know your enemies or something...

I guess I can pick up IP- I just found myself using Vertigo more often than IP, it seems a lot more effective than it was, now that you can drop someone with the actual cast now.

or RM then Frostbite, but frostbite's pretty expensive slot-wise. So are our elemental transformation spells...

AEG- needs mag ball(needs LB which require arc light or tingle, as well as ANC, which just requires ss or elementalism) and aether cloak(needs WB or Substratum which both basically need ES, as well as VOI, which requires IP or RM, both of which either need geyser or elementalism)
AEG 3, MAG BALL 3, LB 2, AL/Tingle 2/3, ANC 1, AC 2, WB/Sub 2/1, ES 1, VOI 2, IP/RM 2, Elementalism 0, Intro spell 1=
20-22 spell slots and 12 spells...

MOF- AC (needs WB or Substratum which both basically need ES, as well as VOI, which requires IP or RM, both of which either need geyser or elementalism) and FB or Ignite (FS or elementalism)
MOF 3, AC 2, WB/Sub 2/1, ES 1, VOI 2, IP/RM 2, Elementalism 0, Intro spell 1, FB/Ignite 2/1 = 13-15 spell slots and 9 spells, not as bad.

-I was thinking of passing on the electricity book too, cept for maybe tingle(al's pretty handy now too) - wanna throw me for a loop here too? Bring back SD as an offensive barrier like stormbulls use? GF as a prereq?

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Shouldn't shockwave and fire rain also be signature because they're esoteric?

And any word on changing the requirement of a critter to have arms in order to be affected by Tingle? Now that it debuffs stats and not just drops things, it would make more sense for anything with a nervous system to be affected and not just ones with arms, you know?

I read someplace, they they are adjusting spell slots of spells across the board because they mis judged the amount of spell slots that we would get compared to cost of things. Doesn't seem to bad on the adjustments, but ya poor frostbite. Sad day.

>>>(Frostbite not reducing fatigue to 0) Is this just from a single cast? Or just never?

>Never.

Well it was fun while it lasted.

Speaking of CL; why is CL cheaper than FB while shockwave is so expensive? Seems like CL should need one more slot because it can hit everything in the room while FB is limited to things engaged to you.

Shockwave has the added extra of push-back, also it seems to hit more things in invasions than CL for me at least.
Is there still a cap on the # of total CL bolts?

Toss in FLS, naphtha, MOA, it just looks pretty.
Though I do miss spamming lightning storms...


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>wanna throw me for a loop here too? Bring back SD as an offensive barrier like stormbulls use? GF as a prereq?

Either that or trigger a stun or a knockback similar to Halo.


>Shockwave, my main issue with it is that it feels functionally identical to CL, just using a different element. Any chance either of them could be made a little more different some way other than damage type?

I defiantly agree, I feel a lot of the spells are all too similar to other spells. What made shockwave so good was it's functionality. The knock out and RT is what made the spell extremely useful. Now it just feels like a very mediocre area tm spell. Was also our one true way to really deal with stealth or getting out of a bad situation. The pushback on it now is barely noticeable. I don't even get consistent knockback to pole range on critters I greatly outclass.

Very similar to how useful RoS was before 3.0. I love that ros can come with me now but it really should trigger when something triggers it's boundry. Like casting at pole. I see someone has posted that it does trigger but from my testings it does not. Casted at pole both critters and players can get to melee without ever getting hit, same for melee though they will get hit when it finally does pulse.

Finally, PW. I initially thought this change was going to be great. But since it is targeted and does nothing else but either push or pull ( with exception of the naptha throwing ) it's extremely niche, and I have not found a situation where this spell would be better to use than any other. To get to melee it's much easier to just cast IP. Can have it already prepped plus have whatever you casted it on prone and stunned. There is no real reason to take the time to target a caped PW to push something to ranged when you can just simply retreat.

Also I can see a path for the long time requested lightning storm. Since we now have cyclic spells it could be similar to usol in which it would be a ranged area spell that stays with the caster if the caster leaves the room. Could even be a combination of old Ball Lightning in having the cloud separate from the caster with the ability to have it follow or attack a specific target, area, or engaged.

- Erixx

>I'd love to see warmies have something along the lines of fire rain and RoS, a pulsing type spell, in each spell book, to allow for roleplay of the mage.

A very cool esoteric or metaspell that changes the type of a few different spells based on your attunement. Maybe even add some modifications based on that;
Air and Water do more slice, Earth and Fire does more impact, Aether and Lightening do more puncture, or something like that.

Hey, since you've gone ahead and made aether cloak cost another slot..... How's about we get ALL of the old functionality back?


I WANT it to protect me from being located by moon mages.

I WANT it to keep familiars from locking onto me (It'd be even better if it went a step beyond 'OLDAC' and it could confuse familiars which are already on your trail)

I WANT it to protect me from folks joining my group via STALK.



I thought the reason these things were taken away from the spell was 'well it's only a 1 slot spell now, it'd have to be 2 in order to do ALL THAT STUFF', and also "The reason it has a drawback in that it penalizes your outgoing TM is because it only costs 1 slot"


How about we get these looked at since it now costs more to learn?

The anti-locate was really a nice feature. Every other guild besides clerics i believe, even barbs, can combat locating.

Always makes me laugh that a magic tert guild is better equipped at defending against magic than magic primaries.

- Erixx

AC is probably better off as a pure Warding spell, and at 2 slots, I don't think it is over priced for all that it does. As far as some of the other things you want, I certainly don't mind entertaining ideas that bring that functionality into being for War Mages.

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I do find it kinda funny that people thought 2 spell slots was over priced. AC doesn't get weaker as spells are casted at it. AC can reflect the spell at it, AC prevents TM being casted at you, and AC prevents you casting spells. Went from 1 to 2. Cyclic.

Shear. Prevents and weakens TM spells being casted at you. Weakens as it is hit. Lasts for 2 shots, sometimes 5 depending on the power of the spells being casted. Stuns the caster. Prevents you from casting spells. AC and Shear both, with enough mana in a spell, you can cast through it, both sides, but really weaken the spells. Shear costs 3 spell slots. Duration cast.

Veil of Ice. Prevents and weakens TM spells being casted at you. Weakens as it is hit. As its takes damage, lasts about the same as Shear I think. Outgoing casts are not hindered. Cost 2 spell slots. Duration cast.

Ghost shroud. Prevents and weakens TM spell casted at it, more weakens than prevents. Also reduces damage from mundane range weapons. Outgoing casts are not hindered. Cost 2 spell slots. Cyclic.

Those are just the similar type of spells off the top of my head. I think bards may have one or two that do something like that. No idea about rangers, necros, and empaths. At least in terms of AC going from 1 to 2, I think at the very least it has to be 2. Specially compared to the other spells. I think shear and AC should be like 3, while VOI, and Ghost shroud types are 2. Thats just my thoughts on it, but glad it went to 2 spell slots, since I do believe 1 was way to low for it.

>No, it's funny that Necros, for whom WORM was supposed to be one of the most potent anti-magic spells in game, have actually taken second seat to a number of other anti-magic Wards with strikingly less penalties. AC, GJ, GhS Sanyu Lyba, Swan, Bastion, Shear, SR, EY. I might have missed a few.

Are you claiming all of those other barriers to be better than WORM?

>>Are you mad those magic secondaries get better healing spells than the primaries?

Great comparison.

A tert magic guild has some of the best magic defense which completely shuts down magic.

Tell you what, lets completely shut down all weapons then maybe call it even.

- Erixx

<<No, but some are. Of those, Shear and SR are the only ones that limits the caster (Psychic spells cannot be used, and outgoing TM from the Paladin cannot be used, I think?). Shear and AC have retaliatory effects which are pretty rad. Mind you, some of them aren't anti-magic, persay, but anti-incoming TM, so, sure, that's not as all encompassing as WORM. Swan is a form, so that potentially limits what the Barb can also run, and Bastion and Serenity (forgot about Serenity!) are meditations, so that too limits what the Barb can also run.

Aether Cloak stifles outgoing TM spells also. Pain in the butt really, but small price to pay.

I didn't realize AC had as significant drawbacks. VoI and GF (which also has significant drawbacks) then help fill the gap.

I remember hearing it'd fall into enchanting or a new analogous spell, back when they said our spells would have less multi-function.
also
there was mention in the enchanting folder that someone won a raffle prize that had an anti-locate funtion, limited use I believe that only lasted a few minutes.
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>magic related stuff I used to enjoy (Like using runestones and scrolls from other guilds without DEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATH being the reward).

Even if you critical fail and blow off both arms, it's not remotely a death sentence. And the skill to use runes is relatively low, depending on the rune and your guild.

>This would be like if a ranger lost blend or earth meld, or couldn't run trails anymore, or a trader could still run caravans but now had to be circle 50 instead of 5 to trade commodities, or if that whole 'permashocked/no longer able to heal others/pure battle empath' turned into 'nah, we changed our mind, no more combat for empaths, also we're removing all constructs'.

No.

It isn't.

You lost a single function of a single spell. Just because it's some huge earthshattering thing to you doesn't mean the guild as a whole has suffered. If you try conversing about it like a sane person without factual innacuracies and massive hyperbole, you might get a GM to answer wether it'll come back or not, or even wether it's on the table at all.

But please, continue whining and chicken-little dancing about that sky.

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>You lost a single function of a single spell. Just because it's some huge earthshattering thing to you doesn't mean the guild as a whole has suffered. If you try conversing about it like a sane person without factual innacuracies and massive hyperbole, you might get a GM to answer wether it'll come back or not, or even wether it's on the table at all.
>But please, continue whining and chicken-little dancing about that sky.

Please learn to spell if you are going come in here and disrespect somebody so you can feel like a big boy.

Thanks.

- Erixx

>>Please learn to spell if you are going come in here and disrespect somebody so you can feel like a big boy.

Delicious irony.

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