I have read many of the forums, and my understanding is that Sorcery (and I guess whatever else is lacking) will be grandfathered to your current circle. I have a War Mage that is currently 15th circle in game but has enough skills, probably to be at high 20's. Can anyone confirm that the grandfathering applies to literal circle or is related to your ranks. For example, if I plug my exp stats into one of the pre-change circle spreadsheets, I show as being 25th circle. I would hate to have to change my play style, but obviously it would be foolish to lose (so many) ranks, especially on the new skills. I apologize if this has been addressed and I missed it.

Per the GMs, Only 3 guilds can circle on sorcery - MMs, Bards, and Necromancers. Sorcery and Thievery are restricted for WMs. That is, you can learn 'em, but they don't "count" for circle reqs.

GMs have also explicity stated that Sorcery ranks will not be grandfathered, everyone will start from 0.

[Uzmam] "<chat>" "what you seem to not realize is that I'd love for Uzmam to be outed. That way she could have Divult finally apprentice her and I could learn those slips"

>>GMs have also explicity stated that Sorcery ranks will not be grandfathered, everyone will start from 0.

Since Moon mages have a hard requirement for sorcery for circling purposes, I would assume the "everyone starts at 0" does not apply to them, and it will be grandfathered to their current circle's requirement.

Req 1-10 11-30 31-70 71-100 101-150
1st Magic 4 4 5 6 7
2nd Magic 4 4 4 5 6
3rd Magic 3 4 4 5 5
4th Magic 2 3 4 5 5
5th Magic 0 3 3 4 5
6th Magic 0 3 3 4 5
7th Magic 0 0 3 3 4
Astrology 3 4 4 5 6
1st Survival 2 3 3 4 5
2nd Survival 2 3 3 4 4
3rd Survival 2 2 3 3 4
4th Survival 2 2 2 3 3
5th Survival 0 2 2 3 3
1st Lore 2 3 3 4 5
2nd Lore 2 2 3 3 4
3rd Lore 1 2 2 3 3
Scholarship 3 3 3 4 4


<<Since Moon mages have a hard requirement for sorcery for circling purposes, I would assume the "everyone starts at 0" does not apply to them, and it will be grandfathered to their current circle's requirement>>


Even if you say 7 magics, there are 8 <not counting PM since that will be an ur-skill and not used for circling>:

1. Arcana
2. Attunement
3. Augmentation
4. Debilitation
5. TM
6. Utility
7. Warding
8. Sorcery.


So a MM could conceivably circle without Sorcery.

I don't see a hard requirement there.


[Uzmam] "<chat>" "what you seem to not realize is that I'd love for Uzmam to be outed. That way she could have Divult finally apprentice her and I could learn those slips"

>Hmm, you're right. I must have been remembering the scholarship hard req as sorcery.

Easy enough mistake to make. ::mutters something about scholarship being evil::

>Summoning, I believe, won't be required at the DR3 release; the GMs wanted a robust system and methods to learn, so it's one of the few guild skills which are not making the release cut. It will be rolled in later, as a requirement, when the GMs have enough ways to learn it that they're comfortable dropping it in. You should be grandfathered up to your current circle in summoning skill (and ONLY summoning skill) at that time.

Last I heard Summoning will be released with M3.0 - and grandfathered to circle. So, no circle increase for WMs.

Summoning will be taught by Fams and Pathway use, and the exp award will be tweeked up until the GMs release the other abilities/methods-to-train of Summoning.

Sounds right yes.

I was under the impression summoning was not going to make DR3 release because they want a robust system behind it and they don't have it quite yet.

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I'll have to go back and read the post but I'm fairly certain in the Magics folder the most recent update indicated that the summoning system was completed for WMs. As previously mentioned, that involves learning from familiars and pathways, with more yet to come post X3 release.

P

Luck is nothing more than opportunity meeting preparation.

I sit corrected. Thanks guys. Hard for me to keep up with all the changes right now.

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Let's save us all some time: I'm a troll who rarely has anything helpful. There.

Admittedly, I am under the impression that creating a brand new elemental charge (mojo as you called it) system would be much more complex than converting the AP system that's already coded. Therefore, I would think if the more complex system that will drive APs & familiars has already been created, the rest is downhill or already completed. Perhaps Armifer could provide a more definitive response if he has time.

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Luck is nothing more than opportunity meeting preparation.

I recently just came back and was told about these new skills.

So my question is this...

The offical announcment said thievery will be resticted, so will WMs that like to train such skills not be able to anymore or is that just something not counted into the new requ sets?

You will not be able to train other guild-specific skills, even if you theoretically had access to a method.

You can train Thievery all you want, Gauthus just doesn't think it reflects on your WMness and won't consider it for circling requirements.

-Armifer
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