Will this be possible? Can we get a definite yes or absolutely on this please? Thanks much.

Targoth

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ditto on what aeth said. Wouldn't make any sense at all for elemental magics to repair lunar ones.

>>If we start only being able to repair elemental devices, thats really going to narrow the spell down and basically make it for the most part just for our enchanting.

Uh, that's the intent. As stated by Rigby, each Enchanting system will have specific spells that's mostly useless for other purposes. See Imbue and Unleash. Mend is an Enchanting spell, repairing stuff will be the side effect.

>>The plan was to repair all magical devices... I don't like the arguement just because it has lunar energy in it to not do it.

Can you honestly believe that? What makes warrior mages "masters of MD"?

Personally, I liked the original Mend better.

~Aeth

I don't care what Rigby stated for moon mage enchanting, this isn't moon mage enchanting. As GM Valdrick stated who is designing our enchanting system, he doesn't like to make things that only do one thing. If all enchanting was just one system, we'd already have our enchanting, and so would clerics. You'd just have to plug in the cleric and warrior mage things, into the enchanting system.


While were not the masters of MD, we are the only guild that uses aether, and we are the masters of aether. All sorts of things use aether, so we should be able to fix all sorts of things.

I like the original mend better as well, but if this is how its going to change, I'd like it to be the best version of it the spell can be. An really why wouldn't you want us to have something that can fix all sorts of magical devices? That would be awesome, to not have to look around for a merchant that isn't going to show up so you can have ten more charges in your favorite device, that is going to run out in a rew days.


~Worrclan, Dwarf of the Realms-

First off I see you are trolling for a conflict or just one who hates warrior mages getting things.

Ignorant no, I've read several of your post where you just throw that in there thinking it will win your little arguement, as apparently you think this is an arguement and not a civil discussion. Absolutely nothing is set in stone, things change, people leave, people realize things are too strict. None of that matters though, our spell has been slated to do more than just work in the enchanting process so hopefully you'll realize that. How much more it all depends. They have said it would work on magic devices in general, now I know I never said all devices.. I said all sorts of devices in my last post and the first I ment to say most, cause I realize it won't and should not be able to do everything. CJs shouldn't be repairable I don't think, that would be stepping on the moon mages cash flow.


Aether does have something to do with everything. From the most simplest spell, when you trace the sigil you do it with aether, if its targeted you create anouther matrix with more aether. So we have your spell you use to make the enchantment relying on aether, next we have the object that you actually use to imbue the enchantment in. Unless otherwise stated, like a shard most things are made of the elements and probably a little bit of aether.

No I don't think it would be unbalancing at all to be able to potentially repair/recharge all 'types' of devices with some exceptions of course. The exceptions should be made on a case by case basis not just arbitrarily saying all lunar devices will not work. For example we already know that elemental magic and lunar magic can mix, there are examples of it in sorcery. Would it be harder to do of course it would most likely, do I have faith that the GMs will put checks and balances in there to make it balanced better, you bet. I personally don't try to throw aether in everywhere to justify warrior mages getting something, I realize what our scope is as a guild a lot better than others sometimes. While TM, and summoning, and the elements are our scope... thats pretty hard to do anything with so adding something new is a good thing. You can already get any magic device or pretty much any magic device fixed if you find a merchant that can do it.

I hope to have a better discussion with you, and not an arguement. If you decide to continue it, please don't turn this into a conflict.

~Worrclan, Dwarf of the Realms-

I don't think I ever said moon mages shouldn't be able to repair there own items. Why don't you ask if you haven't already in the moon mage folder? An as far I know or care "general MD repairing" a WM area, the GMs said that our spell was going to do that. ::shrug:: I don't remember which gm posted it or when exactly, but it was after they came out with the umm what yah call it the umm magic rules guide (I'm sure thats not what its called, but I can't remember what it is called.), and a gm explained all about spell matrixes and targetted matrixes, and he mentioned yep everyone uses a little bit of aether to do it with.

An no it doesn't make me ignorant to not give a care in the world what rigby said on the subject, even though I read that when ever he posted it however many years ago it was. Untill a higher authority says so, I consider that out of context and applys only to the moon mage enchanting. It was too long ago to be considered, unless someone says its so and even if it does, that still doesn't mean anything. The GM coding our ability has higher relevance to the matter when he says, he wants to code it so it does more than just enchanting. Just cause someone says something in the past, it doesn't mean it has to be the rule forever and ever, specially in DR things just change too durn much.



~Worrclan, Dwarf of the Realms-

Yes some... if you read on, I did say all types should be included but on a case by case basis should you not include certain ones based on whatever things. I'm not using aether as a catch all thing, I'm using it as a very specific thing here and here only. Woo it can make fly, and part rivers! That would be catch all. Aether runs the world, its how lots of things work durnit, that in its self is a good enough reason to mention we might use it. If there is a way you could justify it with holy mana or lunar mana great do it, but I'm pretty sure you can't. It doesn't matter anyways it isn't relivant to the subject this is the warrior mage folder, and warrior mage enchanting, so please don't here.


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You focus your magical senses on a S'kra indakar rattle.
The indakar rattle has a definite magical pattern, which is apparently a spell.
You recognize the pattern as a manifestation of Holy magic.
It seems to involve Holy Defense.
The pattern appears to be the Protection from Evil spell.
There is a weak point in one of the lines of energy, which will hold for 6 more uses.
The lines are thin, and they glare with brilliance.
Roundtime: 35 seconds.


Hey lookie there it has a pattern which is set into place with aether most likely, and then the energy with in it is a core of holy mana. Hmm at least I think thats how it is, might be wrong on the energy being mana. So we run into our first condition on what we wouldn't be able to repair, if it doesn't have an aether pattern and is set with pure what ever energy, we wouldn't be able to fix it, unless for whatever reason we are let to. Like perhaps an unknown mana type or one that no one can use.

Again it is perfectly reasonable for one little bit of information from a source to be wrong or out of date and the rest of it to not be, and again untill someone higher up says so, I take those supposed enchanting rules for all enchanting as out of context and for moon mages. There are plenty of reasons do so, it was so long ago for one, no one else even had an enchanting system in the approval stage yet (At least I don't think so, and if we did, were not using that one now anyways), all other enchanting systems were just in the talks.


Your last paragraph, there is the crux you are right we might run into that being the reason why it is struck down. I really hope it doesn't though, that would be a very bad reason to do so in my opinion. However there are items out there that are not created by the Lunar creation system, that have lunar energy in them, and I'm sure there will be more, those are items we could fix maybe under the right reasoning of course.


~Worrclan, Dwarf of the Realms-

<<Hey lookie there it has a pattern which is set into place with aether most likely, and then the energy with in it is a core of holy mana.>>

Are you using the Jump To Conclusions mat from Office Space?

<<Again it is perfectly reasonable for one little bit of information from a source to be wrong or out of date and the rest of it to not be, and again untill someone higher up says so, I take those supposed enchanting rules for all enchanting as out of context and for moon mages. >>

Moonmage enchanting was already in place when those rules were posted. They were, in fact, directed specifically AT warmage and cleric enchanting - not moonmage.

As Mend undergoes revisions, it is still unknown at this time whether or not it will affect CJ's. It's under discussion.

-Chakram - insert witty remarks here.

>>Just to clarify, it's the whole spell that is under discussion, trying to figure out what it will affect and what it won't. We've got some of the spell basics hammered out but, due to the magical nature of things, the whole concept of "aether is magical duct tape" (as suggested by some) may not quite work. So we're going to be taking a hard look at what should be affected by the spell and what shouldn't.


Every guild is going to scream that they should be fixing anything that deals with thier specialty or mana type and warrior mages aren't going to get anywhere near it. Might as well go ahead and make mend just a spell for our enchanting, because we have to have one dedicated to it I guess, and we can avoid all the posts that are going to come from all the other guilds. Which will turn into arguments and then posts will be pulled and such. So save the board monitors a lot of grief and yourselves a lot of reworking, heh.

Ash

What is a cj? Celestrial jewlery. What does it do, packs a prediction type bonus that becomes adivated by rubbing. How these bonus work or are giving only speculation even by the moon mage guild, knowlage to make them isn't knowlage of how they work.

Focus on the CJ as a war mage, you don't see the sigils they are made from now do we have the astrology or knowlage of them to know anything of the device.

How are you going to fix a sigil of a constation you know knowthing about, using elemental magic that has nothing to do with focusing on future events?

This is just not gonna happen, you can't fix celestrial events. You don't give bonus to skills with mana and magic. Moon mages use the study of constalations to find the proper path to these bonuses and facilitate using magic to allow us to use these bonuses as we need them or see fit.





"A single spark is not a fire. Though a single spark can start the flames." ~Ecodom (Myself)

thats the thing though Kyn, if a non-moonie focuses on a CJ they don't even see the "Lines" to be able to repair it.