>>And people wonder why there's lobby groups advocating greater restrictions on the use of tasers by the 'professionals.'

>>-Evran

I don't wonder...there's always some idiot that wants to hug away violence.

Explain to me how you think they should be more restricted? Should they be considered deadly force? In the force continuum they're already one step below a bullet to the pan.

I'm really very curious to see if you have any basis for this or if you just got a ticket the day you posted that.

I'm gonna be a tough sell though, my tazer has saved two lives during my 1 year stint as a cop.

Red'

P.S.- My personal life and my professional life don't mix. Who you see here isn't the cop me. This is me me. Me me flips the bird and drinks alot. Cop me says, "Yes sir/ma'am." even when they're spitting obscenities.

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Hooray for booster seats and tasers!

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>>I'm gonna be a tough sell though, my tazer has saved two lives during my 1 year stint as a cop.

Eh? Would you zap a 13-year-old girl?

DISCLAIMER: THIS POSTER IS NOT A MEMBER OF STAFF AND HIS INFORMATION IS/MIGHT BE WRONG.

The problem with tazers is that cops use them too liberally. They don't attempt to do anything else anymore but taze. I'd personally rather get beaten up by a nightstick then tazed.

Just recently a young man died at Miami of Ohio University after being tazed by cops. I've done my fair share of partying in Miami and the cops there have always been assholes but when i was in college they weren't using tazers and your life wasn't in danger if you were partying a little too hard. I mean can you imagine a 20 year olds life ending just because he got too drunk and mouthed off to the cops??

I'm ok with cops continuing to use tazers, but only as a last resort. And i'm certainly not OK with cops getting off on causing physical harm on another person no matter what they did to deserve it.


~ Mordimer

"The problem with tazers is that cops use them too liberally. They don't attempt to do anything else anymore but taze. I'd personally rather get beaten up by a nightstick then tazed."

You have anything to back up that assertion? I am fully aware that some cops can over react and that some people have died after being tazed, but to make a blanket statement that 'they don't attempt to do anything else anymore but taze' begs to be challenged.

Every time a policeman has to physically grapple with someone who is resisting arrest, they are risking their own lives. Multiply that by the number of drunken, high and just idiotic people that they encounter during a typical week, and the risk of them being injured trying to protect me and you goes up dramatically. You couldn't pay me enough to be a cop and deal with the hassles and the risks. They are the ones who confront someone who is physically out of control and have to make a split second decision(hopefully based upon good training but that is certainly not taken for granted) on what degree of force to use. If they make the wrong decision, someone might die- the perp, the victim or the cop.

I will make my own unsubstantiated statement- Tazers have saved more lives than they have taken, and most cops use them responsibly.

This is not a blanket defense of bad cops- anybody abusing authority or injuring people without justification should be thrown off the force and prosecuted if warrented, and I know that this is easier said than done. But I have watched good cops in action, and continue to be impressed by the large majority of those who don't end up in the headlines.




"militantly enforcing the overly rigid standards of you and your small collection of friends"

>>When I weld someone it's cause they're being REALLY naughty. I hope when they get that 50k kiss they flop around like a fish out of water, scream like a girlscout with a spider in her hair and lose ALL control of their body...and I hope someone films it and puts it on youtube.

>>It's not because I'm angry at them, or that I want revenge or even that I'm an adrenalin junky. I just don't want a repeat of the behavior that caused the ruckus in the first place.

Frankly, I like the idea of youtube and cellphone cameras destroying the careers of bad cops. You know, I wanted to be a cop when I was growing up - but then I graduated high school.

- Galren

>>The Rippentropps are a mysterious collective of well-known individuals whose primary charge is to initiate the advancing task of not stopping.

"Tasers and rubber bullets are considered non-lethal, but they do sometimes kill people. And they aren't always used as a last resort, not even close. "

They are not a last resort. Last resort would be the cop putting 2 rounds into a persons chest.




Thanks,
Kleis

"Missing the point?"

Nope just pointing out that you are wrong


Thanks,
Kleis

>Nope just pointing out that you are wrong

It is a matter of context, in this case, an unruly person who doesn't pose an immediate deadly threat. Shooting someone in that situation is not an option. If you want to be idiotic, you can say that the pistol isn't the last resort either. What if the suspect has body armor on and is using an assault rifle? (Hey it has happened: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout )

>Even during the infamous "don't taze me bro" incident which i'm sure most people have seen on youtube the tazer was not needed. They had like 5 cops there and you really need to taze that guy to remove him from the building? I do think those cops got in trouble for that btw.

"Meyer was thrown in jail for the night, on charges of resisting an officer and disturbing the peace. Students protested outside the jail, chanting "Don't tase me, bro!" even though Meyer had already demonstrated they were not the magic words to prevent a tasing...

"He... issued a public apology to the university and the police for behaving inappropriately.

"Prosecutors agreed to drop all charges if Meyer would complete a voluntary 18-month probation... Meanwhile the Florida Department of Law Enforcement investigated the incident and declared that the cops' actions were justified.

http://www.cracked.com/article_16486_where-are-they-now-6-stars-embarrassing-viral-videos.html

"If i say i watched a news special on it would that be doing anything to back it up? I'm not going to go around pulling links for you but all you have to do is watch the nightly news and you'll hear of someone getting tazed.


I missed that special, and yes I hear occasionally about someone being tasered. So I did a quick google search for recent taser incidents in my area. I found:

a naked man who kicked and pointed a handgun at a paramedic

That was the only case I could find in the last 30 days reported in the news for a major metropolitan area.

"Do some research of your own and you'll see that there have been dozens of deaths in the US, and certain ones were tragic because the use of a tazer was not warranted."

Actually quick research led me to sources claim that there have been 150 or more deaths after taser use in the U.S. in 6 years, or an average of 25 deaths a year. Any death resulting from violence when it isn't warrented- whether it comes from a Taser, a bullet or a baton, or even restraints is tragic. The question though is whether its the technology or the user, and whether this is an epidemic of abuse, as you are claiming or there are incidents of abuses by individual police officers.

"I do understand that police officers are put in danger but that is their freaking job, thats what they get paid for. When they get lazy, or enjoy seeing people piss themselves, they pull out a tazer and every once in a while an innocent person dies because of it. I'm sorry but being drunk in public and not cooperating with the police does not warrant a death sentence"

No, their job is to keep the peace, maintain order and enforce the laws. Sometimes it means putting themselves at risk, but they are under no obligation to risk their own life and wrestle with someone who is being combative, and risk their own life just to avoid the minuscule chance that using a taser might kill someone.

Sure Tasers can be misused, and probably are. But if there were no Tasers, those same cops who abuse Tasers would likely be shooting people or clubbing them to death.

"I'm sorry but being drunk in public and not cooperating with the police does not warrant a death sentence."

Hardly a death sentence, but if you choose to get drunk in public and the police get called and you refuse too cooperate, you are risking your life, liberty and health.



"militantly enforcing the overly rigid standards of you and your small collection of friends"

I'm not sure, but I think Armifer just threw down.

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Idon: Why are we taunting the happy fun Y'shai, again?
Me: Idon know.
Idon: You disgust me.
Me: At least I'm not trying to Phelim up.
Idon: Makes me wonder what she's doing to the World Dragon.

Damn Armifer. Well said.


- Galren

>>The Rippentropps are a mysterious collective of well-known individuals whose primary charge is to initiate the advancing task of not stopping.

>>There may be worse crimes under God's laws, but there is no worse way to harm society than an officer that degrades the authority of a vital office.

You start off so well...and then you bring that intellectual freebee "god" into it. ;-)

I'll give you guys a bit of my speech (had to last 10 minutes and I don't remember most of it) when I graduated, I was head grades/shooter for my class and I'm not shy so I got asked to speak. If you've read any of my posts you know I don't lie. I've upheld all of this.

"During the course of our academy we've had many instructors...all of which first introduced themselves and then asked us our reasons for wanting to become police officers. After a while it becomes rote (spelling? I can talk it but I can't spell it) but even at its most diluted, no one came here to be a tyrant. No one is here for the wrong reasons."

"We're here to better our community. When we leave here we are peace officers in name only. We know the law and we know the rules but peace is not in a book. Peace is in the efforts we make."

"Lady justice is blind but she has us to help her and she's given us tools to do so. In her left hand is your creed, the scales of justice. Enforce law without bias or prejudice and be, yourself, a beacon that others may follow. In her right hand is the sword of authority, an authority given to us by the people we serve...an authority given only in the understanding that we may better their society."

"The word of the law may change. The spirit of the law is something that we can uphold for all our lives."

End me on soapbox philosophy.

You'll never find a more impartial and fair person than me, I've given my brother a ticket before (mook still thinks he's in california) and he's the only blood family that I like.

I don't know if anyone else has studied philosophy but it's a bit of an eye opener. In life you do things because they feel right because you were taught that way because your parents feel that way because their parents felt that way.

When you stop to examine yourself, you find a LOT of ugly. I went through a whole week of self examination where I couldn't stand to be in the same room with me.

You get over it and do your best to adhere to principles that you believe are right and just.

My own are few but prohibitive.

1. Never lie.
2. Never be hypocritical.
3. Religion is a child's security blanket (more philosophy than rule.)
4. Never stick to an opinion when proven wrong.
5. Never compromise your morals for the easy road.

And I still want to see the people I taze lose bodily control of themselves.

Red'

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Translation: go time

>>I do understand that police officers are put in danger but that is their freaking job, thats what they get paid for. When they get lazy, or enjoy seeing people piss themselves, they pull out a tazer and every once in a while an innocent person dies because of it. I'm sorry but being drunk in public and not cooperating with the police does not warrant a death sentence

I can't read minds. If John Paul the forgiver ran from me, I'd assume he was a fleeing felon.

I have a duty to assume that. If, of the 100+ people I know professionally in my town of 1400, one of them decides to run on me...sure, it makes my life easier to just scold them later on (I deal with them everday...course it would be easier to just punch them on the arm), instead of hammering them on the spot. But what if...that ONE time...they really did go berserk? My duty is to everyone, from the runner to the people he may harm. It's not just a moral duty, it's also a legal duty. I'd lose my job and my house if I decided to let some drunk twit go on about his idiocy and he ended up gaking himself or someone else.

As a cop you must treat EVERYONE the same. You don't have to see taliban in every loogey on your uniform...but you do have to control people who can't control themselves and minimize impact to those who've been victimized.

Red'

I play a pally in RL, so I play a warmie here.

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>>When someone decides to wield violence on behalf of the state

Violence is never on behalf of an organization. Violence is a response to a threat be it immediate or forthcoming. It's never a planned and calculated thing. That's why it's called violence. It's unpredictable and scary and by nature it's a choice of evils.

Violence that I wield is due to immensely ingrained (and highly examined) training. It's in response to perceived threat, to myself or others. Morally I believe this to be sound...legally it is. My organization (and the belief that the people put into that organization) puts me into these situations.

Ragran said it better than I could have:

>>Cops are people like us...regular.

If I put you into the same situations you would come up with the same conclusions.

Sure you wouldn't be as straight a shot...and you wouldn't know dink about tazers, oc spray, baton or (unless your a wrestler) USD.

Morally you would come up with the same answers as any schmuck on the force. "Stop this idiot. He's going to hurt someone."

Red'

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Translation: go time

Bugger...didn't catch that "Unarmed" part. If that was the case...I know the one guy who was a SRO got fired...not sure about his civil case though.

Red'

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Six sequential posts from one person.

<<Five sequential posts from one person.

Seven if you don't count the post by Godkin. I suppose she feels offended someone called her out on her unprofessional remark and has to spam the same things over and over to try and convince us and herself that it wasn't.

-Evran

>>Seven if you don't count the post by Godkin. I suppose she feels offended someone called her out on her unprofessional remark and has to spam the same things over and over to try and convince us and herself that it wasn't.

I'd respond...except that wasn't really an argument...it was more like..."She talked alot! Don't listen to her!"

I still want people to piss themselves when I taze them.

Red'

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Translation: go time

Please...just...please. Stop posting.

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Idon: Why are we taunting the happy fun Y'shai, again?
Me: Idon know.
Idon: You disgust me.
Me: At least I'm not trying to Phelim up.
Idon: Makes me wonder what she's doing to the World Dragon.