Thanks! While some of it I don't relish, I appreciate the response. I'm not much for warning anything, seems like a whiny road to go down.

He's quite a bit larger than me so he shouldn't whine and complain too much (and still be able to keep his man-card).

I don't mind the battles...but I WOULD like 4 minutes to rub together where I don't have to have an MOF, a discharged ES and a voi up just cause I'm sitting still. I'll duel anyone 3 times. Best 2 of em and the loser is declared and I'm going back to training.

Just seeing who can catch the other one napping is the pits though...and pretty useless as far as a learning experience. I could understand if I caught Celesi napping and decided to have a chain lightning party, he's quite a bit bigger than me and it'd be worth my eventual death to say, "Yep...he crossed me and see what happened? O'Doyle rules!" But mookster here can one shot me, so it's not like he's hard up for an opportunity to stomp me if we wanted to play out a raging fight.

I wont chain kill him IF he gets rezzed. I'll be (gags)...nice.

I'm almost afraid to admit that my best option is to just be on my toes for the next few attempts he makes and stomp the feathers out of him for even looking at me funny. I've been letting him get away with casting on me when he doesn't hit me, just cause I don't feel like dealing with his silent routine. Hopefully I'll be able to convince him, by completely crushing anything that resembles ego, that duels-only is his best bet for a productive day.

Men are high maintenence.

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You hear the ghostly voice of Redeth say, "That plan worked better in my head."

Update!

It worked...I beat the feathers out of him the first time just for retribution, he casted on me after his spirit was up and got hammered again...then I told him that if he wouldn't agree to my dueling rule I'd be armadillo stomping him every time I saw him.

It's pretty lame that just cause I don't see the need to report that I become a victim. I can't cast on him for fear of it, but I get to wait around for him to get the urge to mana dump on me.

Kinda weird how it turns out.

Anyways, he agreed.

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You hear the ghostly voice of Redeth say, "That plan worked better in my head."

Redeth beats back the angry board monkey Ileir with a rotten carp.

How is it that even in digital media, some people still just manage to push all your buttons? Don't talk down to me. I like asking lots of questions, and morons that get a high and mighty attitude bug me.

People who claim to know the outcome of an event before it happens are mostly just bragging or guessing.

Don't tell me you'd kill me, you'd attempt. You may or may not succeed, you don't know anything about me. I could be the seventh friggin' wonder of elanthia, I could just run and hide in front of the warmie guild...Tropicalo and Jhime could quake at the very thought of my displeasure. It may seem like a small thing but wow...you went the whole different route.

My cleric would kill you.
No! My warmage would kill your cleric and eat his face!

Do shut up.

And another thing!

>>See, I thought I said that, but he clearly missed every aspect of the point that I was making.

Don't assume that just because you post in reponse that I would give a rat fart in a high wind what it is your saying. Your solution seemed like something a girlscout would come up with after crying to her mother for advice.

"Just reason with him, honey...everyone may not agree but they'll respect you."

Phooey is what I thought but...

I tried to be polite and say, "Thanks for the input, mook." But no...I got talked down to again. For the love of GOD, ignore all my posts. I would rather get no answer then your bumbling attempts to put yourself in a good light at my expense.

>>I see lockouts in this ones future.
(I really fargin hate being talked down to)

If you truly want to help, then help...you don't have to have an agenda to want to talk to and help people. There was a perfectly good post for you to copy from just before yours. "Be careful..." As in use you're best judgement, Red. Not...'You're an idiot cause you didn't do what I said.' If no one has told you that you have the social grace of a toad then you live in your mothers basement and haven't met anyone else.

>>Let me put on my Moonie Cap.

Predict all you want, oh far seeing killer of whoever, but I bluffed through that one pretty well. Maybe you should get some moonie diapers and try again...might work better with the device closer to your brain.

And I'm a chick, albeit an angry, egocentric one but your diaper will probably tell you that.

SOBER! I'm going to add this distinction at the end of all my rants from no one so everyone knows that I'm either not in my right mind or I'm just being a little female doggish.

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You hear the ghostly voice of Redeth say, "That plan worked better in my head."

Now see, THAT was critical and still polite.

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You hear the ghostly voice of Redeth say, "That plan worked better in my head."

I think yer poking fun at me.

Maybe you're kinda caught up in your character to the point where OOC questions are asked from their point of view.

I think of it more like a trip to the supermarket(granted I'm new to RP). I'm obviously not Redeth at the supermarket, and if I ask for directions to a brand of food I expect that no one is going to be a jerk about it. They'd just say, "Oh sure! Just head on down there, hun." They could be right or wrong, but it was an interaction that didn't require much effort on their part and in no circles of thought would condescension and scathing remarks be appropriate. They HAPPEN but continue reading.

In this case forum interaction can't be forced like a real life situation. You can simply NOT post without the social awkwardness of completely ignoring someone who just asked you a pretty benign question.

The difference is somewhat like road-rage. You can dehumanize the interaction in your mind so that whoever you're dealing with isn't an actual, singular person you're crapping on, but just another face on the same idiot you've been dealing with forever. You've built up rage on this dumb entity to the point that they're almost like a person in your mind, no matter WHO they are and you enable yourself to be rude on a scale that, in person, would be complete social suicide (and likely to get you punched in the nose). That you physically have to TRY to be mean, and not just be rude by ommission due to the medium, annoys me more.

At any rate, neither myself or my character are what you'd call delicate...requesting quiet rather than dealing with people who have poor manners is something your mother's (or whoever gives a crap about you) been teaching you since you were able to speak.

"If you don't have something nice to say..." Shut your yapping fly fogger.

If someone wants to crap on Redeth, that's a whole different animal, and just plain old fun. But simply not having manners because you can't see someone is ignorant and cowardly.

So in closing remember: "You are who you are in the worst of times." Meaning if you're crappy to waitresses, children, animals, etc. (people who can't retaliate, MUCH LIKE ON THE BOARDS!) That's who you are...the rest of your life is just a set of consequences that keep you away from that true self. I.E. The, "Would you take the money if no one would find out." situation.

Short answer: If you're not a completely classless toad the internet is the place to be the MOST polite, due to the lack of consequence that is present in personal interaction. OR you could be one of the MILLIONS that embrace their inner jerk.

If you were asking a real question, I'll assume I'm Miss M, ignore all the above and read the following:
I'd say lay off the sunshine flying out of your fifth point of contact or he might off you for some peace and quiet...buy him an ale, shine his boots (if you're male you're obviously not up to bat for my team) and call it an evening.

SOBER! but wishing otherwise

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You hear the ghostly voice of Redeth say, "That plan worked better in my head."

I hadn't thought of that...lets hope he's honorbound now.

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You hear the ghostly voice of Redeth say, "That plan worked better in my head."

Thanks! It was fun while it lasted. I hadn't realized they'd been known to take a hands off approach sometimes. They'd probably gork out of I decided to start chain killing, but if I kept it within the realm of good sportsmanship I think I might be alright.

We're still at eachother with weapons only occassionally. It DOES keep you on your toes. Maybe I'll tell him to start back up again, I don't think he liked it too much though unless he was winning.

Preciate it.

Player o' Red

SOBER! But not for long...it's a day off.

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You hear the ghostly voice of Redeth say, "That plan worked better in my head."

>You can't really just drop anyone quickly these days no matter how IC it is.

I've certainly noticed that. Seems in general people are less interested in violence these days. Even the moon mage GMPC "baddies" seem like they're all huggy-happy now.

At least we still have people like Caelumia and Redeth here to carry the torch.


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Player of Kryeus Kyshi'cio

PvP is a tricky proposition at best in DR prime.

There are very few folk who do it well and get away with it. One of those you MAY want to talk to if you get a chance is Xelten down in Illith. Guys an ass and most folk dislike him as his RP style is such that it tends to rub 80% the wrong way. However he does PvP a fair bit and is for the most part good about it to the point where he has done TONS of it and avoided lockouts so far as I know.

My PvP is usually in the form an eye for an eye. When I engage in it I want it to end one way or another than and there. I honestly have NO patiance or interest in having to constantly look over my shoulder for the guy to sneak on me and try kill me with my shorts around my ankles. Got to LOVE when hunting especially having someone sneak on you and go to town. SO basicaly I make my PvP opponents know its a one time deal. You kill me I kill you or attemt to. After that is done its over. I have only ONCE chain killed a guy and done it dirty to the point where I was camping his grave and wailing on him while he tried to get his stuff. Why? Because he was TONS bigger than me and once he got his stuff and got back up to full health he was gonna come after me and send me to my grave... again and again and again just because he could. I did not stop until he agreed that it was over and done with... he did not have much choice I would have walked his arse or he would have had to abandon all his stuff as he refused to call it quits until he had died 6 times.

You can also have a KOS policy with a player. Those happen with well known PvP players and their arch nemessis. There are a few classic examples with Raggran and few other well known PvP folk against some arch nemessis or other. KOS = Kill on Sight. Perma consent between you and them. Every time you see each other or come across each other or manage to track the other one down you try to kill or be killed. Those are tough against folk much bigger than you. If you are a hard core PvPer than sure. Be always buffed to the teeth and every time you log in check if they are on and if yes try locate them and kill them or at least make sure they are well away from where you are before settling down to ... whatever. This one usually either ends up in one moving FAR away from the other until the fued is dead and done with from no activity or ... the two agree to call it quits ... or one ends up getting tired of it and reports the other.

In your case Red sounds like the bigger guy is stomping you because he can. And when you do hand his arse back to him he gets all cheezed. To test the waters try stomping on him a few times in a row and see what happens. He will either cry like a baby and report you, or get steeamed and start hunting you down like an exerminator comming after a pest or talk to you and try to call an end to it. Judging by his actions you should be able to get an idea what kind of PvP you got going with him if he wont plain out tell you. If you are friendly with him than set down rules and bounderies to your engagement such as "No attacking me while I am out hunting, or one death per day etc.

>>There are very few folk who do it well and get away with it. One of those you MAY want to talk to if you get a chance is Xelten down in Illith. Guys an ass and most folk dislike him as his RP style is such that it tends to rub 80% the wrong way. However he does PvP a fair bit and is for the most part good about it to the point where he has done TONS of it and avoided lockouts so far as I know.

Say what? My character very, very rarely engages in combat with other PCs. That's probably why I avoid lockouts.

If a situation really warrants violence, then violence it is. That usually means it will be "consented", but not always. Nevertheless, very few situations actually call for killing.

- Xelten's player

You owe 666 Dokoras to the Domain of Ilithi.

>>While YOU may consider the amount of PvP you do rare I have seen you engaged in PvP a LOT compared to most of us "normal" non violent folk.

I'm afraid you're simply mistaken, unless an average (average, mind you - more likely to happen a few at once and then none for a very long time) of at most once every couple of RL months is a lot of PvP. The last time my character attacked another character without being attacked first was the Crusade, and that was a well established PvP area.

>> Heck just today you had a spat with Galren (not wise in my oppinion but thats MY oppinion).

As I'm sure you're well aware, my character didn't do any attacking of Galren until after being attacked. It was a rather simple... be killed, and then kill back - conflict resolved. Most characters do not start attacking mine when just chatting, so again, it is rare for my character to be engaged in combat with other characters. Obviously, the risk is probably there, most just choose not to start fighting at the drop of a hat.

>>All I was saying is you seem to have a knack of killing folks without getting reported on for the most part.

Again, if they attack first, it would be silly of them to report.

>>And you got to admit you have killed MORE than your fair share most of Illith hates your guts... course could be just the style of RP you have chosen for yourself.

As to being hated in Ilithi, your information is old. There are a few I am sure, but those who anyone in the area would consider regulars generally have little issue. Unless there is a cult of people in Ilithi who I never see at all, secretly off hating my character amongst themselves?

>>On a side note Cudos for "mellowing" out that style of RP to where it is tolerable. The "harder" stuff you used to engage in before made it NO fun for a lot of us to interact with you.

Not much has changed other than the folks with whom my character was at odds... left the area. They were loud, certainly.

So, I am not sure where you are getting your information from, but it seems to be a biased and uninformed source. No harm, done, really. Just thought I should set it straight.

>>You "mellowed" your RP style after you got turned down for Commander

If any changes did occur, it certainly was not due to this, at any rate. I'd think you would know that if you heard anything at all my character said prior to the interviews for the position. More or less, he was only putting his name in for consideration to provide an alternative. In the actual interview, he made it clear that he would only be an appropriate Commander if they wanted something very specific. The Provincial Guard thing was actually more useful to the character than a Command would have been.

There are additional reasons for everything going the way it did, but disclosing any of that would jeapordize current events, and it is really all rather irrelevant to your original post, which in getting back to the point: The only advice I can give about PvP is... don't let killing be your primary response to everything.

I suppose you are entitled to your perspective, however.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you, then. It's certainly been a long night and I could easily have missed something in your posts.

The point I was trying to make, however, is that I can't possibly know anything about getting involved in lots of PvP, because I don't. If you think you've seen a lot of it, then you're mistaken. The mention of any combat my character does have being typically defensive was meant to demonstrate that I really wouldn't know anything about attacking people and not being reported.

Just trying to make all the information accurate.

Soo...did you care to refute anything I said, or just make fun of it's delivery? (The fool looks at the finger that points at the sky.) Cause I can't find a single thing that you managed to say other than, "Nonni nonni boofoo...you're dumb cause you're not as smart as ME!"

Try adding something...Was I wrong for THIS reason or THAT? You got petulant and spiteful to an art...I promise. Why don't you try...oh I don't know...not being a child?

Anyways, the 'thinking toad' and the 'educated reader' would have noticed it wasn't a psychology knowledge base that I was speaking from but rather a philisophical one. I would have thought the "Would you take the money if no one would find out?" gave it away. The rest is just common (or maybe not so common for you) sense. Philosophy is my major, but in YOUR defense, I did take a semester of general psychology...I didn't/haven't studied channeling yet. "You are who you are in the worst of times." is a paper I wrote...I got another one titled: "Hitler's Sixth Finger"...I like that title better. Is gots LOTS o'tree syllabilly wordies in eet.

I'm REALLY so very sorry you butted your nose in (just to poke fun I guess...you certainly didn't ADD anything to the discussion) and it got snapped off. What the heck did you think was going to happen? Maybe you should leave that white whale be, Ahab. The hunt isn't working out so well for you.

To summarize your posting thus far:

-You're a limp wristed nancy cause you like people you deal with in RL to have manners! (uh?)

and...

-You're not as smart as you think you are! I know WHERE you learned all this stuff to blast me on the forums. It doesn't count if I can make fun of it. nonni nonni (If you say so, sweety...you'll always be momma's little boy)

I'd tell you to grow up but you're probably a grown man...don't you find yourself to be just a little pathetic with these exchanges? It's ok, lie down, you can tell it all to Dr. Rena Whinfrey.

SOBER!...but hungover and feelin' like Oprah before the diet.

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You hear the ghostly voice of Redeth say, "That plan worked better in my head."

>>The classic mistake that I have seen most "Bad guy" RPrs make is they end up having too many feuds going at the same time and either get walked outright or become a hunted animal to the point where no matter where they go they have a target on their back and can not spend a MOMENT in game without someone wailing on them or in most cases SEVERAL somebodys. Typicaly these end up quitting the game or walking.

Umm... where do you get your information? TF? This is certainly not the case in Prime, at least not currently.


Vinjince

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"There are five possible operations for any army. If you can fight, fight; if you cannot fight, defend; if you cannot defend, flee; if you cannot flee, surrender; if you cannot surrender, die."

- Sima Yi

>>The actual discipline of philosophical psychology has nothing to do with mental health or behavior.

My background is in moral philosophy, here goes!

Yeah...except in how you actually justify your behavior. On the whole philosophy doesn't cover reasons for behavior, only judgement after the fact. Caring WHY people do things isn't my gig...I don't like people enough to get to know them that well.

I don't know and can't fathom why this particular person would care to be pointlessly rude. Maybe he wasn't hugged enough? Maybe he's releasing pent up aggression from a tour in some third world deathtrap so he doesn't explode one day and gun down a department store. I don't particularly care. I CAN and will pass philisophical judgement, from my perspective, on his actions. He was (obviously) rude, offered no solutions or counterarguments to the behavior he found annoying and continued with the same "I think you're an idiot" drivel.

Philosphy ties into everything because it deals with the moral stem of all motivation. The basics of right and wrong apply to EVERY situation, from nuking Japan to toasting your waffles. That people study things like behavioral sciences to find out WHY people act the way they do is a footnote (albeit a largely more profitable one) to the larger question at hand: What SHOULD people be doing? Doesn't matter what they're doing if we can't figure out what the heck is the right thing to do in the first place.

In this instance, acting the fool. This isn't an eskimo killing his female babies to preserve the tribe or an abortion clinic kind of dilema. It's pretty cut and dry. The Greater Good mooks would have a fit about my department store gun-down but it's impossible to see anything from all the angles, so I wing it on one.

Psychology, in my VERY limited experience, has just put a few 4-5 syllable names to things I've known my whole life. You'd be surprised how much dazzle they put on common sense to impress themselves back in the day. I only took a semester though, so maybe it gets more involved.

In the defense of the students of behavior...behavior kicks an inner morality debates in the keister ALL the time (making it SO much more practical to study).


SOBER! Hangover's gone. If I wasn't working it'd be wine time.

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You hear the ghostly voice of Redeth say, "That plan worked better in my head."

The Faceless Man in the Car isn't mine...I'd quote who's it is...but I can't remember. I stole it for my You are who you are spiel. Doesn't matter anyways...you don't need a degree to look up any of the hundreds of studies done of the internet, which is just a modernized version of the faceless man. THAT is behavior...the philosophy behind it is more what I was going for but you can't illustrate a philosophy without the behavior behind it.

Unless you're a fatalist. (yuk yuk)

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You hear the ghostly voice of Redeth say, "That plan worked better in my head."

>>I really don't give a flying rat's arse if this make's sense or not seeing as I probably won't come back to this forum again for another month.<<

In that month I'd suggest taking an English class or two?

It's a matter of debate which is more important now. But if you want the chicken or the egg...which evolved first? Laws of man or therapy?

Law beats reason with a big angry stick...all over the yard while momma watches and approves. If you were to strip away all that man has accomplished technologically you'd still have the LAW (or guidelines if you didn't retain SOME form of social structure.) It wouldn't be as your average westerner knows it...it wouldn't be uniform, just or even moral, but it would be difinitive.

You took Thag's woman, Thag stomps a mudhole in you...case closed. He doesn't want to rehabilitate you.

In a world beyond hunting/gathering where we can afford a few fripperies such as music and art and Oprah it gets jumbled and priorities shift. For our own 'civilized' world I'd be more inclined to think, as I said before, psychology is more pragmatic...if less definative and almost unapplicable in internet relations. For myself anyway.

Philosophy and the study of what is moral is the root though. Can't have society without law. Can't live without society in some form or another.

>>Just as saying engineering and architecture are mere footnotes to the transcendent art of interior decorating.

In that analogy I think philosophy would be the guy with the money...or maybe OSHA.

>>Welcome to academics, enjoy your stay.

Do I have to be nice cause you're a GM? I can't ever tell. Don't patronize me. It makes me grumpy. I love a good debate, I'm a woman...but I don't like when people patronize...it's like gloating before the fight is over.

>>Behavioralism is practical to study because it is the dominant modality of psychology in the United States. It is not remotely the bounds of the discipline, and your survey class did you a disservice if it gave you that impression.

I don't know what you got from my statement that prompted that...but I was more referring to the rarity of an internal struggle erring on the side of academics rather than gut feelings.

We didn't even finish our first argument. I'm not much for rapid fire debate, but this is fun so far.

I'm better on defense anways. ~Ho Chi Minh

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You hear the ghostly voice of Redeth say, "That plan worked better in my head."

Do they discuss philosophy over there? I found a few good internet blogs, but I get banned when I give some of more...liberal theories.

"Canned Granny" -Why we should stop burying our dead... (was just to grump out my professor)
"Hitler's Sixth Finger" -Why might makes right...
"Eskimo Hotel" -Why philosophy will never have a blanket law...
"Holy Trinity Batman!" -Why?

To name a few.

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You hear the ghostly voice of Redeth say, "That plan worked better in my head."