Is there a way to see who is funding a shop, be it a gem shop or furrier shop? There are a few shops around Elanthia and only a few are able to finance them. Unfortunately the one south of Ilithi seems to be full and so is the one in Horse Clan.

Thanks in advance,

Annandale

State of Local Financing Opportunities:

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1) Tominessa's at the North Roads Caravansary is currently financed by just 1 Trader.
2) Willowbee's out on Aesry is currently financed by no one!


This is what I see for Crossing.

It would be awesome if we could finance normal shops like the crossing gen shop, with limits on the amount to encourage multiple traders.

actually in addition, if another skilled trader sold enough gems to use all 90 plat your funds, you will lose, at a minimum, 10 plat out of your 100 plat investment.

>>Unfortunately the one south of Ilithi seems to be full

That one appears to be bugged. I'm looking into how to fix it.

>>Up to 10 traders can finance a single outpost

Looks like this is only true for furriers?

>>Would it be possible for the financeable gem shops show up on the Crossing guildhall investment board like the 2 financeable fur shops or better yet, investment boards in each Trader guildhall?

I'll see if that board can be made to recognize the older shops.

I've wanted to make a new financeable gem outpost in Vela'Tohr Valley for some time. Is it needed, though? Of the six live outposts, three are unfinanced and two are financed by the same person.

GM Grejuva

> It would be apropos if your funds are calculated pre-bonus, or trader sold gems don't factor into the financing at all, but this would be necessary to make these shops worthwhile at all.

>>I didn't even think that would be an option. I think selling to a speculator, vs an appraiser, should always give you the base value for the pouch; however, anyone could sell to them (assuming financing) which is why they would be used.

you're right, if it was setup to simply compensate from pre-bonus, it would be pretty easily exploitable. I've spent quite a bit of time trying :)
eg, pull from financed rossmans, sell to financed horseclan, reverse and repeat.


it would require a pretty massive review to lossen the mechanics from where they are.

another point on the financeable gem shops that i picked up from non traders. --

The complaint i have from some, and the reason that some don't frequent them, is apparently if no-one is financing the shop, it will run out of money periodically and refuse to buy pouches.

I cannot confirm this, but if true, this discourages them from integrating them into their routines, as there will be times that they are simply refused service if no-one is managing the shop, or they have too large of a load of pouches and empty the coffers.

>>Up to 10 traders can finance a single outpost

Looks like this is only true for furriers?

That wouldn't make sense that those who would have done the coding for this be only for the furrier shops and not the gem shops. Considering the fact that the gem shops are more widely used.

That being said, can it be updated to do so?

Thanks in advance,

Annandale

So... I think this system is great and it's even better that we're seeing improvements; however, I think the system could be brought into the current day. What if, in addition to this, traders could hire NPC assistants. Maybe via contact. The assistant would have two uses.

General
- Assistants cost a set amount. Maybe 1 platinum a day until we see how well they do.
- They take it from their own pockets if outside or shop funds if inside.

Use #1: buying goods for the trader - Assistant is left in the shop - Starts at level 75, requires shop.

trader:
- "Ask assistant for <full description - exact match> at <price>" = Assistant will buy this item for a maximum of this price.
- "Ask assistant about clear" = clear the current list of goods to buy.

Non-trader:
- "Ask assistant to buy <item> for <price>". Confirm prompt shows up. Repeat command. If the price is <= the trader's price and there are enough coins in the shop then the transaction completes. If the assistant doesn't have the coins then they tell the non-trader (bad trader, assistant gives away the store if you can't fund it). If the assistant thinks the price is too high, they tell the non trader that they need to bring their price down a bit.

Both:
- "Ask assistant for list" gives you a numbered list of the things the trader is buying. Once an item is bought by the assistant, it disappears from the list. Size of the list is based on the trader's trading ability.


Use #2: Assistant buys skins and gems - Starts at level 100, requires shop. Closing the shops causes you to lose everything your assistant has on them if they're outside of it.
- Push assistant to send them out
- Whistle for assistant to bring them back
- Maybe have them wonder around the market rooms, have them sit outside your door, have them setup their own table, or just sit in a (new) receiving room right outside. Either way, they're limited to the same city as your shop.
- They will not buy from other traders.
- They buy for the base amount of the pouch, maybe with a +5% bonus to encourage usage over financed shops.
- They return when they run out of money.
- Partial pouches are returned if they have less platinum than the value of the pouch. Size of the returned pouch is proportional the coins they had on hand.
- They only buy tied pouches and bundles.

trader:
The trader could give the attendant a certain amount of platinum. A trader with 1750 trading and 100 charisma could give them 5,000 plat, and a 250 trader with 50 charisma could give them 500 plat, or something similar. Enough to do business, but not enough to break the bank.

> Whistle for attendant (while in the shop)
An attendant quickly darts into the room

> Ask attendant for pouches
(no pouches) The attendant shrugs and suggests a course in marketing at academy.
(1+ pouches) The attendant hands over a large, overstuffed sack.

> Give attendant 100000 coins
(not at max) You give...
(at max) The attendant counts the coins before returning xxxxxx to you.

non-trader:
Go to the place that has assistants. They will not give pouches back.
> Sell pouch (must be in the right hand)
[full sale] You raise your hand and taunt the crowd of busy traders with your <gem pouch/bundle>. Almost immediately, the throng of shouting and busy figures close in. You hear them arguing among each other with the occasional shove before one emerges from the crowd. With a nod, you hand over the <noun> and accept a handful of coins in return. Just as quickly as it arrived, the crowd disperses and moves on to their next sale.

[partial sale] You raise your hand and taunt the crowd of busy traders with your <gem pouch/bundle>. Almost immediately, the throng of shouting and busy figures close in. You hear them arguing among each other with the occasional shove before one emerges from the crowd. With a nod, you hand over the <noun> and accept a handful of coins in return. Before turning away, the trader pushes a lighter gem pouch into your hands, muttering something about lack of funds before slipping back into the crowd.

[The attendant returns to the shop to wait for the trader to return]. Attendants are on a first-come, first-serve basis. That insures all traders get a chance to buy the pouches.

>> I would suggest you park your attendant at or near the exit of a hunting area.

That's an interesting idea. The idea was to make it easy to find an assistant. There are dozens of assistants in the same room, so someone selling pouches could reasonably expect to find one there. They could incorporate it into their trianing routines, but.... I kind of love this suggestion. You could park an assistant somewhere outside of a hunting area and let hunters come to you. This could make those hard to reach hunting areas more viable for the player base, and the convenience would get you a little more coin, as traders should have.

> re: assistants automated buyers for traders
>Use #1: buying goods for the trader - Assistant is left in the shop - Starts at level 75, requires shop.
>Use #2: Assistant buys skins and gems - Starts at level 100, requires shop. Closing the shops causes you to lose everything your assistant has on them if they're outside of it.


while i love the idea here, i just personally think its completes the circle of making things completely impersonal and automated.

i'd still rather have interaction with customers,and have customers continue to carry the burden of not always getting the best price for their pouches unless they work at finding a competent trader, or vice versa.

still love the idea tho

>>i just personally think its completes the circle of making things completely impersonal and automated.

Agreed. I don't want the Trader experience to become "park my automated assistant in X location".


- Navesi

Yep. I used to finanace Rossman's fairly regularly, but havne't been able to for the last four days, as there's another investor. Kinda stinks having citizenship for a province and the only tangible benefit is being able to get in the Keep and get all the anathema from the rifts.

Balkomar(and pals)