>Traders can "powerwalk" room by room and cap their attunement learning quickly. Moon mages can't, as lunar mana isn't based on the room.

Experience pool size (i.e. how long till it mind locks) is determined both by ranks and skillset placement. Moon Mages are magic primary and Traders are magic tertiary, so assuming equal ranks and stats Moon Mages will take much longer to reach mind lock with magic skills.

You're also (I'm assuming, since Trader magic was just released recently) pretty low in magic ranks. Powerwalking isn't as appealing at high levels of skill, which is possibly where the Moon Mage you're comparing with might be.

>>Experience pool size (i.e. how long till it mind locks) is determined both by ranks and skillset placement. Moon Mages are magic primary and Traders are magic tertiary, so assuming equal ranks and stats Moon Mages will take much longer to reach mind lock with magic skills.

>>You're also (I'm assuming, since Trader magic was just released recently) pretty low in magic ranks. Powerwalking isn't as appealing at high levels of skill, which is possibly where the Moon Mage you're comparing with might be.

I think the point being made was that, at least pre-3.0, Moon Mages couldn't "powerwalk" in the walk-room-to-room sense to train attunement, because they're always drawing energy from the moons. I'm not sure if this changed post-3.0, but if it wasn't changed it would be odd that Traders (who also draw energy from the moons) wouldn't follow the same training rules as Moon Mages. One part of epedia says Moon Mages can't powerwalk, another section says they can, so I don't know who is right and who is wrong right now.

That said, I don't personally consider powerwalking to be the most effective way to train magic these days, and you're better off harnessing a bit of mana as you're casting spells to lock your other magic skills.

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Ok, I just tested and my moonmage cannot powerwalk. Even at circle 90ish, he gains three mindstates with a perceive mana. Move the next room: nothing. Rinse, repeat: nothing.

>That said, I don't personally consider powerwalking to be the most effective way to train magic these days, and you're better off harnessing a bit of mana as you're casting spells to lock your other magic skills.

I don't disagree here. I rarely powerwalk on Mithgrek (paladin). On occasion, I do if I've been sitting and talking a while, forging, whatever. Attunement generally trains fine just by casting.

My point in posting was not on whether powerwalking is effective or not, but a difference in behavior between Traders and Moonmages. Moonmages perceive mana by moons, and there's a timer (1-2 minutes? I don't recall). Traders can perceive the 3-4 lunar mana streams (3, I think), but also do it room by room.

I don't think this is game-breaking or exploitable in training attunement too fast, but the behavior seems to be buggy, so I bugged it. That's all.

Mithgrek, player of.

>>My point in posting was not on whether powerwalking is effective or not, but a difference in behavior between Traders and Moonmages. Moonmages perceive mana by moons, and there's a timer (1-2 minutes? I don't recall). Traders can perceive the 3-4 lunar mana streams (3, I think), but also do it room by room.

Just to clarify since I couldn't tell from the posts, I did some testing. Doing a simple POW in each room nets zero experience (even after a few minutes of waiting). Doing a POW MANA in the same room within a minute also does not grant additional exp. However doing a POW MANA in a new room grants exp each time.

I also confirmed that on my Moon Mage, performing a POW MANA in new rooms does NOT grant exp each time.

The main upshot is that it is pretty quick and easy for a Trader to lock Attunement via this method of powerwalking. I'm not sure how much it matters given that Traders are tert and it's pretty quick to lock anyway, but there it is.


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I'm sure it will be fixed when Armifer returns, along with appraise careful for magical skills.

Mithgrek, player of.

>> along with appraise careful for magical skills.

>What's the bug here?

It doesn't work. You should be able to use appraise careful on a critter to see how well it will teach TM and Debil.