Market Day in Riverhaven 06/21/2007 07:16 PM CDT
During Market Day in Riverhaven, I purchased an item from someone who was not a trader, but was sitting with the traders, and hawking her own items. Everyone in the market area knew this person was selling, they were listening to her teaching a class. The lure was, you buy an item and you are entered in the raffle (an item from the trader tables).

This is a petty thing--the WHOLE thing is, but I'm curious what it would have hurt for me to have been entered in the raffle via that purchase? By making the exclusion and by allowing this person to sell her own items, a situation was created that was distasteful. If it was something in coding that made the raffle entry either complicated or impossible, I can understand that, however, I don't think that's the case.

The whole transaction put me off GREATLY from dealing with the particular traders in that room. It was bad business and a poor business decision. Had I (and any others who purchased from this person--your teacher) been entered in the raffle (even though we did not make a purchase from the tables), it would do a good bit for morale and encouraging any buyer to return.

Enjoy your wealth and I will keep my coins.
Myeka
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Re: Market Day in Riverhaven 06/22/2007 04:53 PM CDT
Anyone can sell in the trader market building. We have no control over it. If you had asked the person you were buying from they would have told you.

I specifically gwethed the rules about buying from a participating Trader's table to enter the raffle.

Regards,

Sortny/Braunwen
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Re: Market Day in Riverhaven 06/22/2007 06:05 PM CDT
I think you're missing the point. My complaint is not about the rules, it's about how traders, who are running and organizing an event, and TRYING to draw people, could extend a courtesy to anyone who attends. If four attendees make a purchase from a random hawker, and are then extended a courtesy from the traders organizing the event, that leaves a good impression. They are more likely to return to other similar events. Not only will I not return for anymore Market events, I will happily discuss what I felt were poor business practises (and I will mention names).

In the real world, if you go into a small market, the venders will treat you to a variety of things if they really want your business. If they don't frequently go the extra mile, they will lose customers. Word of mouth is a very powerful business asset.

--Myeka
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Re: Market Day in Riverhaven 06/22/2007 09:07 PM CDT
>>Anyone can sell in the trader market building. We have no control over it.

So, you would have kicked them out if you could do so?

I know the market building isn't the same as the tent, but in the table area you can't remove people either? I thought that was a function of the monger...

I am --- Navak
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Re: Market Day in Riverhaven 06/23/2007 01:48 PM CDT
Only if they are unruly and being disruptive. I don't know who you dealt with so I can't say. Another thing is the monger doesn't roam in Riverhaven Trader Market Building like the one in Crossing Trader Market Tent does. It just stays in one room, so not sure if the Monger will have them escorted out or not.

Regards,

Sortny/Braunwen
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Re: Market Day in Riverhaven 06/24/2007 02:35 AM CDT
I think you are the one missing the point here. Lets say a merchant shows up and is willing to perform alterations, but only on their "wares" (which is not uncommon). Sometime during the period their wares are for sale, some player shows up and decides to hawk some items of their own. If you had bought one of those items from that player, would you complain to the merchant that you had purchased the item in their tent and thus expect them to honor the item as if it was their own merchandise? And then complain publically when they refused to "alter" an item that was specifically outside of the guidelines.

These traders work hard to set up these events and do a lot of things to try and entice people to come. They aren't making tons of coins on these events. They do them because they believe in the event. Any event that is primarily run by players is hard enough, much less when the support shown is negative.

Would it have really killed you to drop an extra few plats to get a "raffle ticket" for a chance to win one of the prizes that came from donations from the pockets of the traders themselves, no one else.
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Re: Market Day in Riverhaven 06/24/2007 06:30 AM CDT
Player-run events are hard to operate and organize. And no, it wouldn't have killed me to buy something [else--that I didn't need or really want] from one of the tables any more than it would have killed you to ask someone who wasn't a trader to sell their non-trader items elsewhere while you're running a special event. I did initially say that this was a petty issue. It's frustrating and irritating to find that the traders organizing, operating, and working SO hard to promote an event, would draw this kind of a line. And now, the 35 plat spent on the non-trader item wasn't enough, and I should be convinced to spend more?

Rather than dismissing my point of view as being wrong, why not consider what I've suggested? If it's wrong for me to expect the traders to extend a courtesy to people purchasing from hawkers other than themselves, isn't it just as wrong for the traders to encourage random hawkers to sell at a specially organized event, which includes listening to their class? Chances are, had I realized that the non-trader wasn't counted among you (which was hard to do as she had a full class--and I did ask her to meet me at the bank rather than the market building. She refused because she didn't want to give up her full class), I would have approached the whole situation differently. If you're going to make rules and stick to those rules, you might consider some that will eliminate or at least strongly discourage this kind of situation.
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Re: Market Day in Riverhaven 06/27/2007 03:26 PM CDT
I can totally understand your point of view. I missed most of the Riverhaven Market Day this time. And I was not privy to all the rules since I have of late been busy doing other things. However, if you felt that buying from her was enough to get you a raffle ticket you should have said something to the traders in attendance right there and then. I know that the Market Day Committee does their very best on these events and believe it or not all the prizes and such come out of the traders vaults or are purchased from others before said event. If you would have said something to me I certainly would have addressed the situation with the other traders in attendance but as I said I arrive only 20 minutes before the end of market day. I am sorry that you feel this way about the market days and hope that you will not alienate all traders because of it. I know who the person in question is and had I been there her items would have been on my table and this would not have been an issue. However, sometimes the real world calls. So that being said I am sorry for any inconvience you had and hope that you will perhaps give us another chance to make you a satisfied customer.

Sincerely,
Katath Trader to Shard
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