I've always thought the new crafting systems were there to make lore primes be as interesting to play as the combat oriented guilds. Opening up all crafts and expanding them was the only way to have a healthy lore skill set.

That said, I am starting to miss the abilities that used to differentiate the guilds. But that's another discussion in it self. A few bonus techs from your guild don't mean much when compared to the benefits of careers or hobbies, which everyone has now. The nice thing is, everyone has to pick a few things to be good at. No one can be good at everything. These choices are meaningful and make characters more unique. The difference now is, you get to pick a guild that has the flavor you want and you get to pick a craft that has a flavor you want.

Compare this to combat where every guild has GuildFlavor OffensiveAbility, GuildFlavor DefenseAbility, GuildFlavor DamageReduction; all of which are essentially equally effective and all of which are readily available to even low level players.

As someone with a passion for crafting poison, you will have a significant advantage over everyone else who doesn't. Maybe they want to play around with poisons, but not at the price of losing an advantage in a craft they're more interested in.

Thief poison was a great ability. I don't begrudge you for being disappointed in losing it.

>I think the justification for opening up all the crafts comes directly from Moon Mage Enchanting. The work required to develop for moon mage enchanting ulimately lead to the plans for War Mage and Cleric enchanting to be scrapped as infeasible. Dragonrealm's development model couldn't afford any more such systems. So, crafting needed to be opened up with one core system or nobody was going to get any future crafting development except the people who already had it, and those systems would see only sporadic support.

I'd agree, and go a step further, and say that all the systems were put on singular core mechanics, rather than each guild getting unique and arcane guild-specific spells, abilities, etc. That's partially what DR 3.0 was about, was putting everything into a standard core system/language, rather than having everyone running hodgepodge stuff that took years to learn.

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I'm a badger, I be badgerin'

So at 850 forging you can make tier 10 items out of a material with properties no one would desire? I think that kind of proves the point, though. A huge investment that doesn't really pay off without techs. You're not competitive with anyone who has techs in those items and won't be for what, another few years if you train hard?

Hunters bows were a 100th circle ability. And makers marks is not forging. Just saying.

Beast Elec Drister

"You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with until you understand who's in ruttin' command here."
―Jayne Cobb

MM1-USN 1999-present

I'm excited about being a non thief and having some powerful poisons at my disposal. Is flush poison staying around?

>I can mastercraft the hardest thing currently in an entire discipline without career or techniques. Doesn't that seem a little strange?

While that may be true for now, the same can't be said for weaponsmithing, which has harder templates at the higher end.

I assume it will not stay that way, as the various crafts are fleshed out. Also, rare materials can add a HUGE bump in difficulty.

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Weapons for Sale:
http://www.elanthipedia.org/wiki/User:Caraamon#Wares
Hunta Talna Kortok, built by Gor'Togs, for Gor'Togs
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/caraamon/home.html

Just stop. Please. Take a couple beers or valium or whatever it takes, but you're freaking out and crying about how everyone hates thieves is really getting tiresome man.

Please, as a fellow thief player. You're really getting on MY nerves. The world isn't ending. The GMs will see and respond to posts, and will respond much better to less, er, frantic and antagonistic, posting. You're getting angry at multiple people in multiple locations and every post is basically 'this sucks and ruins everything and we need to break all the limits'.

>Sorry if you don't know the thieves history guess that is a side effect the older ones get when we have been around longer and actually lived the nerfs you might (scratch that) have not read about.

Let's compare internet genitals later.

My point stands that you're being overly dramatic and your histrionics aren't particularly helpful. Neither is 'I've been around long enough to...whatever'.

What is up with the aggressive slant to every single post you make Ajathaer?

Poison had lots of things wrong with it, the best and only way to get it worked on is to actually have a crafting system that doesn't suck. The only way to get an entire crafting system for poison is to have it open to everyone. It will be vastly more superior to the single recipes with 5 variations to it.

I like to think I know a thing or two about the previous states of poison and I for one am happy to see it blossom into a full fledged craft all its own.

Yamcer

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"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF

I try to be civil I really do... Prolly the real life military attitude kicking in..

And Yam I am pretty sure you and Elec are responsible for 85% of my brewing exploration nearly ...what was it 10 years ago I forgot.(do still have all my notes somewhere on a flashdrive)

Anyways back to the point. Good Luck new crafting GM you have a LONG history of poison research to do to hope to make the new system perform to the days of Old.

First things first though PLEASE fix it so the forged keyblanks make lockpicks worth using.



Deadly force, is the force which a person uses, causing—or that a person knows, or should know, would create a substantial risk of causing—death or serious bodily harm. Deadly Force is justified only under conditions of extreme necessity as a last resort,

thank you for summing up the downfall Of a once great and time honored craft.

Deadly force, is the force which a person uses, causing—or that a person knows, or should know, would create a substantial risk of causing—death or serious bodily harm. Deadly Force is justified only under conditions of extreme necessity as a last resort,

This one is done.


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