Yes. Here's a teaser. Hope to get it into test this month. These changes will also fix the Flight/Elusion req issue, but it required touching every Khri as well as core Khri, as well as several other systems, so the changes took a while and QC takes a while...

>khri
From the Subtlety tree, you know the following khri: Darken (Aug), Dampen (Util/Ward), Strike (Aug), Silence (Util), Shadowstep (Util), Sensing (Util), Vanish (Util), Harrier (Aug), Evanescence (Util)
From the Finesse tree, you know the following khri: Hasten (Util), Safe (Aug), Avoidance (Aug), Plunder (Aug), Flight (Aug/Ward), Guile (Debil), Cunning (Util/Aug), Elusion (Aug), Muse (Aug), Slight (Util), Credence (Debil), Insight (Aug)
From the Potence tree, you know the following khri: Focus (Aug), Prowess (Debil), Sight (Aug), Calm (Util), Steady (Aug), Eliminate (Debil), Serenity (Ward), Sagacity (Ward), Terrify (Debil), Endure (Aug/Util), Intimidate (Debil), Fright (Aug)
You have -3 available slots.

Javac
That one guy

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I want to know more about the the ones that require warding, which we have zero of currently.

Are we going to get a warding bump up to what's appropriate to our level? (which would suck) Or are we starting from scratch? (which would suck worse)

Or are we going to get it bumped up to be in line the with rest of our magics which most of us have over-trainined. Not to mention any 200 circle thieves which capped long ago and kept going... and going...

See where I'm getting at?

If there is some type of boost, I'd be happy with starting with ranks in warding along of the lines of our lowest magic we have currently. The average of all magics would be even better.

Majorly, The Locksmith.

I’m excited to see new changes. Thanks!

Monster Elec

You hear the distant echo of a savage Horde snarling in barbaric disapproval of your deeds.

As long as it makes sense. It's incredibly annoying to now have a skill 2-300 ranks behind your other magics (making it completely unusable in PVP or at level) and you have to back and backtrain it up before you can use it. That was the worst thing about magic grandfathering before. Hell, even if we could use a respec on the magic skillset that would be cool. Then we could move things around so we could at least make them trainable. Is that a possibility?

Monster Elec

You hear the distant echo of a savage Horde snarling in barbaric disapproval of your deeds.

>Is that a possibility?

Probably not. I think you’ll be happy with the grandfathering in this case.

>So, what changed?

I honestly can’t say what changed, as I wasn’t on staff during the 3.0 conversion, so I can’t talk to the decisions back then. I pointed out that it made no sense that abilities that are clearly Wards don’t train Warding and volunteered to do the work so that they would, and the other GMs on staff agreed.

Javac
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>Do you know if a similar thing will be done for Barbs?

I don’t know of any plans at the moment, but that doesn’t mean I’m not forgetting something on Kodius’ plate.

Javac
That one guy

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Sounds like a great question for the barb folders.

Monster Elec

You hear the distant echo of a savage Horde snarling in barbaric disapproval of your deeds.

<<Logic doesn't have "lanes".

Unless you're Emmitt Brown (which if you are, please message me so we can talk about flying time-trains) where you are posting does have roads. Please post further non-thief suggestions in the appropriate folder.

Helje
DragonRealms Senior Board Moderator

Thanks Javac, this is awesome. Really appreciate the work you're putting in here.

> I don’t even care if there’s no tdps from it.

Just wanted to mention that I, uh, do care about TDPs though. If TDPs wouldn't be awarded at the standard rate for any grandfathered ranks, I'd strongly prefer to backtrain. But that's just me.

To be clear, when I mentioned TDPs I specifically was talking about the paltry amount for being grandfathered a few hundred ranks. If that’s the price to not have to backtrain as much, by all means, keep my 100 tdps. I’ll take the extra few hundred tanks from averaging for a better number. I’m not going to let the short sighted gain of less than a single stat point mean that I have to backtrain for a year to get my new skill closer to my others so it can be used viably in combat. This seems like common sense.

Monster Elec

You hear the distant echo of a savage Horde snarling in barbaric disapproval of your deeds.

Maximum TDPs are ~460,000. Maximum stats are (depending on how you spread them out) somewhere between ~900-1100.

Not being grandfathered warding to anything below 400 ranks would be losing about 0.002% of your maximum theoretical strength. I know a lot of people take min/maxing seriously (I do), but I think you can safely discount it if you see the actual investment you're sacrificing. Even though at lower ranks those TDPs have relative higher value, the time investment saved is much more significant IMO.

You will get TDPs as normal. I'm not aware of a way to exclude skills from TDP calculations.

Javac
That one guy

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That's great to hear. Thanks again, Javac!

> No rush but can you give us a ETA or estimation when to expect these changes to be released?

He did say above that he hopes to get it into test this month. I wouldn't at all be surprised if that slips, given there's a number of new abilities and that these things are hard to estimate to begin with. Regardless, it's something to look forward to.

Is there any chance dual load could be considered for crossbows?