92nd circle ranger (with highest skills in the 500s):

120s Escaping
160s Locks
180s Disarm
254 Stealing (I think this will end up passing climb, not far to go. Then it's quite a big jump to forage).


Fun times!
collect ceb root
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You manage to collect a pile of cebi roots.
Roundtime: 102 sec.

79th ranger with most survivals in the mid 300's or higher, minus FA (10th 229)

11. locks 216
12. disarm 205
13. steal 121
14. escape 87

Anyone seeing a theme? =)



Fun times!
collect ceb root
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You manage to collect a pile of cebi roots.
Roundtime: 102 sec.

Disarm Traps
Lockpicking
Stealing
Escaping

>Anyone seeing a theme?

I'm not at all surprised that the 4 "hardest to learn" survivals are at the bottom of most people's lists. Stealing is slowly but surely making it's way up my list. Since the changes, this is a great skill to learn. Even with a locks/disarm rewrite, you'll still be limited to actually finding the boxes, so I expect that for 90% of rangers. If I spent 1/2 the time on stealing that I do on disarm, it would be in my top 6. Escaping is another one of those skills that's just a pain to learn. Either you camp karts for years or you try to use flee, and I swear I tried, but I can't get that to teach well at all.

I think the GMs understand the limitations of learning these skills. I think critter stealing and the justice re-write, as well as locks2.0(and box drop re-evaluation) will go a long way to making those 3 skills quite viable. A better way to train escaping for everyone, with some cool ranger perks, would fix that skill also.

~Hanryu Ves'Shomis
Sword of House Calibanor, Emerald Knight, Keeper of the CEC, Ranger
http://drplat.com/CombatEquipmentCompendium.xls

Flee exp would be fine if the timer was shorter and non-random. As it is, you can keep it moving pretty well at first, but it is impossible to keep at level. I believe I gave up somewhere around 280 escaping (although I did train it to 400 via classes). And once it drops too far behind, there is an illogical exp penalty (skinning model illogical, IMO) which just puts the final nail in the coffin. Plus, you get no exp dodging web attempts, which leads to you intentionally penalizing your evasion at some point. Again, skinning model illogical.

Boxes are just too much trouble and not enough reward all around. Plus rangers need to focus on skinning, and there isn't a solid progression of creatures that are skinnable and have boxes. Hopefully the skinning rewrite helps make more creatures skinnable.

I do think the new reqs are going to make rangers much more cookie-cutter, but I do understand why it was done.

Hahaha. Here's my bottom 4:

Stealing	4 81%
Lockpicking	27 56%
Disarm	35 06%
Escaping	224 91%

-Vision et al

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Also, I can shoot bees.

>Anyone seeing a theme? =)

my stealin is so pathetic simply cause i dont like stealing. though with the new slips comin out, i keep tellin myself i need to work stealing to make them more useful, just havent gotten round to it yet (im so lazy...).

locks and disarm, i did train extensively for some time. i dont mind the risk vs. reward of it all, though i do agree its out of whack. i just want to have skill in it. but after i moved out of snow goblins, and into reaver unyn, its fallen behind. i do occasioannly go back into snow gobs to collect boxes. i just train lower weapons while doing so.

escaping is on the bottom end because, well, we all know its difficulties in training it. but i hunt unyns for a couple reasons. and one is specifically for escaping training. even as survival prime i can lock it in there.

i fully plan on having escaping in my top 10 though when i can work it up that high. and i certainly wont let my locks and disarm be too far behind either, even if they arent in top 10 (especially now that locks is bout done bein rewritten completely). i suppose im just a glutton for punishment.

i suppose out of all 4 of them, stealing is the most useful, yet it is my lowest skill by far. just bout any noob could steal better then me. :(

anyway, i dont really know what im tryin to say here. kinda lost my train of thought half way though the post. lol. thats what i get for posting while intoxicated...again.



~Artilius

Top 5 Survivals range from 650's - 700's.
Middle 5 range from mid 200's - 400's
Lowest 4:

Disarm Traps:	127 45%
Escaping:	110 24%
Lockpicking:	110 06%
Stealing:	56 10%

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Skill Differ: http://xamlcoder.com/dr/skilldiff.aspx

Lowest to highest:

Stealing: 16
Escaping: 31
Swimming: 93
Lockpicking: 107
Disarm Traps: 123

I know swimming isn't what we're looking at, but put it in there in order for some laughs.


Gimlias Minas-Tirith
Box Seller
The Dragon's Egg
http://www.thedragonsegg.net

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"I won't learn anything - even if I arrange and try to skin it with a trader's caravan"

"Why don't you roleplay a character who is NOT retarded? ~Maje

My lowest 4 survivals are (Low to high)

escape
stealing
disarm
lockpicking


I definetly see a trend here, I can also say I am not surprised either.

Miv

Ditto on Escape, Locks, Disarm, Steal. So maybe we're all the same now, just it's going to be made official soon?