Thanks to the new concentration calcs.....

effective disc	conc	mana WOTP
36	207	0
42	224	8
42	224	10
43	228	15
43	229	20
48	243	25
47	239	30
45	235	35
48	243	40

Recasting several time at 10 and 15 mana showed a variance of about 3 discipline points. I don't know what that depends on.

Someone that can cap WOTP care to post a progression like this? I wonder if more PM will allow you to more consistently get a boost at x mana?

~Hanryu Ves'Shomis
Sword of House Calibanor, Ambassador of the Ilithi Court, Emerald Knight, Keeper of the CEC, ... still a Ranger
http://www.kynevon.info/CombatEquipmentCompendium.xls

I thought WotP drew from other people around you?

<<My thought would be that as I gain more PM the fluctuations would stabilize, is that the case?

Ssra has been talking a lot in a different folder about random rolls when casting. So, you might be getting that which looks like +/- 3 pts.


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<I thought WotP drew from other people around you?>

Is this true, that the discipline boost gains partly from being a pact - those around you or those in a group with you?

I added the below section of code to the end of my WOTP casting script. As my script always casts at my current no-leak cap (36 mana) that part is consistent. The boost however is not. I've seen from 5 to 15 point boosts at that mana level. Most casts give me 9 to 11, but there really seems to be no rhyme or reason to the level of boost I get. At least I can recast it to get a higher one when I hit the 5 point level. This makes me wish I had a way to test SOTT as easily, and recast it too without waiting for it to drop.

put focus
waitfor Max:
getwordfrom "Max:" 2
setvariable max %w
getinfo intelligence
setvariable temp %result
calculate temp mul 15
calculate temp div 10
calculate max sub %temp
getinfo stamina
calculate max sub %result
calculate max div 3
setvariable boost %max
getinfo discipline
calculate boost sub %result
printbox 265 "Effective discipline is $max$\nThat's a %boost point boost."
exit



~Hanryu Ves'Shomis
Sword of House Calibanor, Ambassador of the Ilithi Court, Emerald Knight, Keeper of the CEC, ... still a Ranger
http://www.kynevon.info/CombatEquipmentCompendium.xls

>>The boost's range is 10 stat points? That's insane.

Ssra apparently thinks it makes sense.

I do not know who all agrees with him. I usually like the guy's work, but I have to say I find this entire situation ridiculous. I do not know any other games wherein personal buffs give a random boost.

>>Do what?

Could have sworn it was you in another folder mentioning that random boosts are a good thing and arguing against the concept of excessive skill meaning they should always be maximized.

<<My thought would be that as I gain more PM the fluctuations would stabilize, is that the case?>>

How swiftly after you cast do you check? Casting spells can drop concentration as well. So if you're checking right away, depending on the timing of the pulses, you may be seeing something lower do to a casting drain, before it fills back up to the new, and theoretically higher max concentration pool. Just a guess.

My max gain from WOTP so far was like 42 points of concentration. Which is probably about a 14 point boost.


~Van

The max Boost for Wotp is 18 Disc.

Falker

I'm only getting 14 so far, according to my calculations. Which of course may be off. But then, I don't think I can quite get 60 mana into the spell yet either.


~Van

<<Cap on WOTP is 50>>

Ah, thanks. Wasn't quite sure. If this is the case then, I'm only raising my concentration by 42, which should equate to a 14 point rise. Unless something else is going on that I'm missing.


~Van

Just for kicks, I did a little testing of my own. With a base Discipline of 85 and concentration of 395, here are my average results while casting at the following mana levels. 812 PM/Harness, for reference.

I saw very little variance within the given mana ranges, less than 10% of the casts gave me a different boost than those listed.

Mana Used*	*Disc Boost
0	-
8-10	5
11-14	6
15-17	7
18-21	8
22-24	9
25-27	10
28-31	11
32-34	12
35-38	13
39-41	14
42-44	15
45-49	16
50	17

Maybe I need more PM or base Discipline, but I didn't see and 18 point boost once. Oh well. At least this got me to update my script to buff myself higher. :P

-Vision et al

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Also, I can shoot bees.

There is a global cap % for boosting a stat based off the your total amount in that stat. 33% = 1/3 which I think could very well be the cap %.

Falker

>There is a global cap % for boosting a stat based off the your total amount in that stat. 33% = 1/3 which I think could very well be the cap %.

Yup that's what I was alluding to in my post- although confirming 33%(1/3) as the cap will take more data points than I can offer.

>Vision gave me numbers. I'm so happy. You mind if I update the wiki with that info?

Please do!

-Vision et al

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Also, I can shoot bees.