New Ranger unable to train Debilitation 02/23/2016 12:07 PM CST
Unless I'm missing something, starting Debilitation training for a young Ranger is really rough (impossible). For reference, this is a Ranger I started recently in Plat, so the opportunity for classes aren't as abundant as Prime. The spell choice path I followed was:

1. Compost/Eagle Cry
2. Athleticism
4. Essence of Yew
6. Devitalize
10. Devolve

I tried picking up a Burden scroll, but as a new character I can't actually read the scroll to even invoke it. I throw scholarship training in with a crafting book whenever I get a chance, but at 24 scholarship it's not readable. I just turned 10th circle today and picked up Devolve and with 37 PM and 0 Debilitation I can't cast the spell (Currently lacking the skill to complete the pattern, your spell fails completely.). I can try and find someone to give me some debilitation lessons, but is it expected that by the 10th circle a Ranger still has no way to learn debilitation on their own? It's also unfortunate to have to pick up a second TM spell in order to get to what I thought was the only intro Debilitation spell.


Also I guess somewhat related to this, why does a new Ranger start with 0 Debilitation at 99%? Why isn't it just 1 rank?
Reply
Re: New Ranger unable to train Debilitation 02/23/2016 12:17 PM CST
Scrolls is an arcana check now not scholarship but burden isnt worth it really. You need about 20 to 25 debil to cast devolve so yes classes are the only other option until then.
Reply
Re: New Ranger unable to train Debilitation 02/23/2016 12:36 PM CST
I'll check into the starter EXP for the 99%. As far as training Debil, out of curiosity, are you able to full prep + cast Devolve and get any experience from it, or is it flat out nothing?

---
NaOH+HI
Reply
Re: New Ranger unable to train Debilitation 02/23/2016 12:48 PM CST
It needs enough debil and pm skill to even cast at all let alone learn. "Currently lacking the skill to complete the pattern, your spell fails completely."
Reply
Re: New Ranger unable to train Debilitation 02/23/2016 01:01 PM CST
Thanks for looking into it. And yes, it's flat out no experience since the spell doesn't cast. I didn't know it was Arcana not Scholarship, my Arcana is actually higher at 34.
Reply
Re: New Ranger unable to train Debilitation 02/23/2016 01:37 PM CST
FYI, you do not need debilitation ranks if you train up your PM high enough. 50 should do it in that case I think. I know it's not ideal, but that is something you can try to do with other spells.



Thayet
@thayelf // http://thayette.tumblr.com

"But you must know that if corruption is powerful enough, it's not corruption at all — it's law. Unspoken, unwritten, but law." — Robert Jackson Bennett, City of Stairs
Reply
Re: New Ranger unable to train Debilitation 02/23/2016 02:56 PM CST
That might be an option.. but I question if someone would feasibly have 50 ranks in PM to cast it anyway at the circle they learn it. Thoughts?

---
NaOH+HI
Reply
Re: New Ranger unable to train Debilitation 02/23/2016 03:04 PM CST
Change the spell to need 10 to 600 like most basic spells instead of 30 to 700. Xp is from debil success not from casting near mana cap anyway so this wont make a big difference. Maybe change the prereq to just eagle cry too or switch it with carrion call so it can be learned without needing 2 tm spells.
Reply
Re: New Ranger unable to train Debilitation 02/23/2016 03:05 PM CST
Feasibly? I would say no even for a magic primary guild, let alone a magic tertiary. It is the easiest to cast Debilitation spell in the ranger spell book, requiring 20 ranks in debilitation. If you path straight for it, you can get it at 4th circle. As a ranger, it's probably about 12-13th circle until you highest survivals even start reaching 50, let alone primary magic.
Reply
Re: New Ranger unable to train Debilitation 02/23/2016 03:09 PM CST
>>Maybe change the prereq to just eagle cry too or switch it with carrion call so it can be learned without needing 2 tm spells.

You can get there with multiple TM spells, but you can also get there using just Devitalize.

Circle 1: Compost + See the Wind

Circle 2: Devitalize

Circle 4: Saved

Circle 6: Devlove

And sorry, I was looking at my chart wrong, it is Circle 6 minimum to get Devolve.
Reply
Re: New Ranger unable to train Debilitation 02/23/2016 04:12 PM CST
I've reduced Break Branch to a basic debilitation spell.

This should largely resolve the issue.

-Raesh

"It was wise enough to know itself, and brave enough to BE itself, and wild enough to change itself while somehow staying altogether true." ― The Slow Regard of Silent Things
Reply
Re: New Ranger unable to train Debilitation 02/23/2016 04:36 PM CST
Very nice.
Reply
Re: New Ranger unable to train Debilitation 02/23/2016 10:12 PM CST
Thank you!
Reply