Anyone know the best spell to train target magic? primary?

Follow Pete's advice on the TM. For PM, prep X, charge camb 11, focus, cast, repeat has worked for me since I learned that PP was important and I needed to get that up before I could work on PM. Suggest PM spell progressions: SOP (100), EM (175), SPC (300), WOTP (>250).

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>I'll echo those posts with the addition that if you can't sustain snapped casts of STRA at 100ish TM because your other magics aren't up to snuff, BOLT still teaches well for at least to 200 if not higher, just not quite as well. So don't stress about TM learning if your other magics are low as well.

Good point. Barn's magics were pretty high already when I had TM at that level.

I'd suggest switching over to using the camb/tm combo once you can use worn cambrinth, if you aren't backtraining. By then your skills should be sufficient to sustain it, and the added power behind the spells will do a bit more damage, plus really help train arcana, PP, and PM.

-pete

Tangent: Han, is that the main way you train PP or do you powerwalk? My PP is 200 ranks behind my PM and it is gimping me. I gnash my teeth whenever I powerwalk as it seems a very inefficient method of training.


Madigan

<<machine gun TM best way to learn

It is if TM is the only skill you want to train. I think he was just suggesting a more well-rounded routine.

-Evran

The first slayer of Malik, may he not rest in peace.

<<I train PP by PERCing in combat (I rotate HUNT, PERC, and APP) and it keeps it moving fairly well. It doesn't lock as fast as powerwalking, but then, it's not nearly as painful.

That is what I do, which has resulted in a 200 rank gap. I was wondering if the cam charging before casts helps PP significantly. I am going to give it a shot tonight and see how it feels.


Madigan

>That is what I do, which has resulted in a 200 rank gap. I was wondering if the cam charging before casts helps PP significantly. I am going to give it a shot tonight and see how it feels.

PP has been about 80 ranks behind harness for 200 ranks now. Everything else is in between.

I typically get at least 4 ranks of harness & PM a circle, usually get about 4 ranks of arcana a circle, and usually get at least 3-4 ranks of PP a circle. I was getting a lot more back when I was training 6-8 ranks of TM a circle to catch it up.

Just from training TM and casting buffs. I use camb for all buffs except for SOP. I usually only power walk when I am close to getting my rank in PP and about to circle.

-pete

>>so my combat script hits the POW button every 70 seconds or so if PP < 16/34.

Isn't the room timer 3 min? Or do you hunt from room to room?

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Quick update. Really there are only three options to train PP:

1. Stick with your PERC timer of 60 seconds. This is what I do in my combat scripts.

2. Cast more with more mana.

3. Powerwalk.

After jacking up #2 above, I really didn't see any significant increase. Meh, powerwalking for me.


Madigan

Someone told me a LOOOONG time ago that the secret to training magic is to make sure that, regardless of your activity, you are ALWAYS casting spells. Keep it moving in and out of combat. ALWAYS have something prepped; maybe even create a background script casting WOTP when you are moving around.

My combat scripts web / bb almost every single thing I kill, several times before I kill it. I lace a 'perc' into the parry / dodge portion of all of my scripts (app critter quick also), and my magics have always been higher than my weapons.

PP & ARCANA get trained during non-combat phases of training - I never power'walk' its always either power'swim' or power'climb' or power'trailrun', and there's always a cast (usually WOTP) at each stop / room, and there's always an ARCANA phase. Once you have the requisite ranks to use camb without holding it, acrana training becomes a LOT easier because you can easily manage it in combat.

Target I train like a ranged weapon - pretend its a really clumsy bow, and prep it as high as you can without killing. Prep, target, and alternate between hiding target wait, and camb-use target wait. Memorize STRA as soon as possible, or temporarily memorize GarZeng if you can get your hands on it(excellent for TM - easy to cast, easy-if-not-guaranteed to hit, and low physical damage).

I know everybody says cast as high as you can to maximize learning, but I say cast as high as you can easily replace (don't drain your harness dry - make sure after you cast your pool is full again in time for the next actual cast), and try to cast before full prep as much as possible. I prep & cast HB & BB at 15 mana, snap cast, rinse & repeat. I don't think its as much about the amount prep - I think its more about the number of casts, as prematurely before full prep as possible.

It works for me anyway...


"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you, you're locked in here with me!" - Rorschach

<<I'm late to this thread, but what I do with my Cleric is every 60 seconds move one room over, Perceive, move back, Perceive. It seems to work fairly well w/magic primary, so it'll probably work reasonably well for magic tert.

Now, that idea has some legs. Great, great suggestion and easy to work into my existing scripts.

Madigan

pete, this sounds just like your suggestion to move a room and hunt for perception, stalking. I like.