First note, generally I like everything.

Protection Book, Could use a bit more love still.
A spell that increases shield durability, and boost shield would be nice.

Grizzly claw, I'm wondering why it was chosen to be spirit vs fortitude. It is a interesting choice. Also will it be nature restricted.

Really happy about Claws of the Cougar. No complains.

For Blend, I was wondering if the reasserting itself is still planned or not. That was one thing I was looking forward to. Also wondering if it will still be only be usable in wilderness areas. Nature restriction i mean.

A better name for Athleticism spell would be. Call of Nature, Spirit of the Wild, or Survivors spirit.

Compost being target sounds nifty.

Wondering if Awaken Forest will still be bound to the room, with the downtime and unable to change locations. That was one of the biggest restrictions on the spell that makes it very hard to use. Stalk by accident and you have to wait 5 minutes to recast.

Everything else looks very good from my standpoint. Mostly I worry about the nature restrictions. While I'm fine where they make sense, I just think neutral should work even if it takes a bit more effort.

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Is this the finalized list? Is there any more detail you can go into?

<<Forestwalker's Boon - Advanced Utility. Makes caster 'friendly' to quadruped living creatures unless attacks first. Open to suggestions on how to improve this more without it turning into a buff of a stat/skill.

Only thing I can think of dont go with the effect, Passive spot, or Celpeze's old anti-aim ability.

<<Natural Grace - Introductory Augmentation. Evasion booster

Can we get more info? % boost? Hard rank boost? I am already guessing this is a nerf of SOP, so any info would be nice.

<<Wolf Scent - Basic Augmentation. Scouting, Gathering boosters

Typical. Wasnt expecting anything much here.

<<Cheetah Swiftness - Esoteric Cyclic Augmentation. Agility boost, pulsing balance boost, pulsing auto stand-up.

Sounds like something we've been asking for, for a long time. Nice sounding spell.

<<Bear Strength - Esoteric Cyclic Augmentation. Strength + Stamina boost, occasional status protection

What does 'occasional' status protection mean. And what status ailments? Stuns?

<<Grizzly Claws - Advanced Debilitation. AoE knockback and knockdown + short RT. Spirit vs Fortitude.

Can mana affect the knockdown vs the knockback? Like 10-20 mana is just knock down, and 21+ is knockback too? I can think of wanting to knock everything down, but knocking them back, would just be annoying if I'm using it at melee. It would force melee fighters to advance everytime.

<<Senses of the Tiger - Advanced Augmentation. Reflex Boost, Perception Boost

Are we to expect the boosts to be the same as they are now, or are they going down, since they are now combination spells?

<<Wisdom of the Pack - Advanced Augmentation. Wisdom Boost, Lock/Trap boost.

Originally this boosted Disciple, not wisdom. As far as I know wisdom does nothing but affect exp draining, which you guys arent going to let spells affect. So was that a typo, or my question would be, why did disciple get switched for wisdom?

<<Claws of the Cougar - Advanced Augmentation. Melee Weaponry Boost, Brawling Damage Boost

Good change.

<<Athleticism (needs a better name) - Basic Augmentation. Athletics boost. This is Climb + Swim

That is also supposed to be the name of the skill combination right? Name ... Obsticle Marine, Dolphin Geeko, Lirsa's Terrian, Terraswim, etc.

<<Compost - Basic Targeted. Single Target multi-hit damage. Can still clean up garbage.

Multi-hit - Like Fire shard?

<<Awaken Forest - Advanced Utility. Summonable, attracts enemies to itself

I like the spell, I dunno if the spell name fits the affect. Maybe Forest Pheromone, or something...

<<Memory of Nature - Esoteric Augmentation. Slightly improves personal urbanclass rating, must be cast in high wild.

Not really sure what the purpose behind this spell is, or what it's doing. It is rading the nature of the area, but only in a high wilderness area? I'm confused. Can you go into more detail. I think I'm misunderstanding what you mean.

<<Plague of Scavengers - Esoteric Targeted. AoE direct damage.

No limitation against undead, right? Just wanted to clarify.



Only thing I see missing atm, is a passive spot spell, which I was really hoping to see.

Falker

<< For the duration of the spell, the wilderness of whatever room you're in is considered +X higher than normal for you and you alone. It must be cast in a high wilderness area, but persists for the full duration of the spell afterward, no matter what room you move to therafter.

Thanks for the clarification on that. Makes more sense now.

Falker

>> Athleticism (needs a better name)
>>Basic Augmentation. Athletics boost. This is Climb + Swim

Survivor's Strength?

>>Is it intended that Rangers have no "warding" spells?

Probably. They said in the Cleric folders that it's intended that each guild has a weakness, something that they don't do well (paraphrased).

Given the description of Utility (Defense Ability, which I take to mean barriers and damage resistance), I'd say MF is probably going to be Basic Utility, so everyone is going to have access to something, since AP spells aren't going anywhere, and probably going to be built on.

>>Also, there are no introductory or basic "utility" spells

Earth Meld


Kaeta

>>Actually an opinion cannot be changed or corrected. Nice try back of line.-VERATHOR
>>But it can be wrong.-Starlear

I have to say in general I am quite pleasantly surprised with most of these rewrites/proposed changes. I do have a few questions and a request. Will the summoned creature still attack those in the room without sop/nature's balance still be attacked, or is it losing any attacking ability? I am curious how compost will manifest itself, now precisely? Is it possible to get a straight perception boost, possibly, please?

How will the new spirit vs whatever spells work? If they will be similar to current spells of that type, this is promising news for those of us who train charisma regularly and get it cheap, Elves, Prydaens and Kaldar, which a majority of Rangers are of those races.


Thank you so much for working on theses GM Zeyurn and whomever else is applicable, it is very much appreciated.


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>> Athleticism (needs a better name)
>>Basic Augmentation. Athletics boost. This is Climb + Swim
Trek of the Amphibians

>Neither of these fit in really well with what the spell does now. Also generically speaking 'anti-aim' is troublesome to balance.

At a minimum could BOON be expanded to the caster's group? Would it be possible to expand the capability of the spell to cover either all attackers in a natural setting or cover all non-supernatural (undead/cursed/extra-planar) foes?

At this point, the only reason I would get this spell would be as a pre-req.

>It will not. It actually won't be that big a hit either, since room mana will have a much diminished effect on your casting ability in Magic 3.0 compared to now.

I'll try to be hopeful then. I've invested a lot of my training time into magics... Harness is my 4th highest skill, for example. I am very happy to see a variety of TM options, really. I look forward to getting to see what I can do with multi-strike and AoE now that my TM is on par with primary weapons.

>Again, this is less a 'All spells Rangers will ever have' and more a 'conversion of current spells plus a couple really easy to make things'

Gotcha.

On BS, what does "occasional status protection" mean?

Is it intended that there is no warding spell on the list?

How are the buffs going to be for duration? I think I recall reading a post somewhere that said durations were likely to be increasing under M3.0?

-pete

>>...one of my favorite debuffs becoming esoteric, which I believe means held mana?

No, you're thinking of cyclic.

>>Does anyone have a link to where it was explained about spirit magic in 3.0, please?

http://elanthipedia.com/wiki/Post:Magic_3.0_Contested_Spell_Inputs_-_8/7/2010_-_19:27:04

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Some suggestions/preferences for Athletics spell name:
1. Traverse the Wilds
2. Nature's Passage
3. Wilderness Mobility
4. Travel with the Pack
5. River and Rock
6. Aquasquirrelification
7. The "Climming Spell" - was already rejected I think.
8. The Joe Weider Bodybuilding Spell



~Brian/Bahb

>> Raesh: Surf 'n' Turf

Excellent. Or:

Wet 'n' Wild


~Brian/Bahb

We're still hoping for an end of this year / beginning of next release. We've got the majority of the hard parts done but there's a lot of parts.

-Z

Any chance Awaken Forest spawn can be "assigned" to a specific person? I envision rangers leading groups through a dangerous wilderness and asking the spawn to protect a weaker person. I know empaths have their guardians, but not all of them have the spell. Also, would be nice to protect younger players.

What I would really like is the ability for multiple spawns in the same room and spawn wars. I'm sorry they are losing their attack function, but mine weren't very good anyway.

Zinaca and her wolf, Lucky And I am patiently waiting for you GMs to do the companion rewrite--just a reminder!

>>My big question is if we still have a spell that adds a stalking bonus. I noticed SOTT lost its stalking bonus but it isn't clear whether or not Earth Meld picked it up. I was wondering if we could get clarification on this.

Both Hiding and Stalking are being combined into one skill called Stealth.

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Double post to keep the negative in one place:

Really? nothing to reflect our armor secondary status? BOOOO

~Hunter Hanryu
Yea yea, I know the initial release of Magic3.0 is light on new spells and mostly meant to update current spellbooks, but I had to get that off my chest.

>>Boon
>Make it so we can run this spell in reverse if we want to and up the spawn/attract critters. I train to many weapons to want to ever scare something away from me.

Eh, I'm not really keen on duplicating these abilities everywhere, but it's at least more in keeping with what the spell does.

>>BS
>Will bear strength clear current status effects or just prevent new ones? Please tell me running BS will clear poison/infection.

I'm being deliberately cagey on what exactly this means because we haven't fully defined it.

>>COTC
>Will this boost any melee weapon individually, or all melee weapons at the same time (like STW)?

All.

>Contested spells
Are you set on making Swarm, BB and HB be the same contest? As a Kaldar I'd love a Charm v. X contest...

The problem is that Charm means you're seducing or luring or fooling the target, which is hard to reconcile with 'omgbees!'

-Z

<<Step one: Cover them in honey.

Step two... *Insert Henry Winkler*

Step three: OMGBees?

-Raesh>>

Fixed.


GM Jaedren

Will the Climbing+Swimming retain the underwater breathing effect?

Can't wait to see the return of Plague.

read the posts on stealth changes there is a pro/con with hiding when the changes go live, You will get a bonus from attacking from hiding but if they can see you, your better off out in the open as you get penlized for being in hiding.

Rangers will always get nerfed.

We're too hardcore and OP by nature of who we are.

But yeah, the magic changes are awesome.

-The Half Joking Halfing.

SOTT had a stalking boost...

Aren't Stalking & Hiding Combining into "Stealth"?

So EM would be a Stealth booster?

I could be totally wrong. There have been so many posted changes coming my head is spinning.

-The Stalking... er Hiding? Halfing