Eh, I'm kinda of two minds on this. I think I understand your what yer trying to convey, but I think in the practical application something would be lost and genuine offense could occur. That isn't to say that you couldn't do it or it should be avoided at all cost, it's just that I'm not sure it's worth the effort, given the small player base already.

Speaking only for myself, and in a specific scenario, discriminating based on a players chosen race would just be an annoyance to me. I play loosely as a Mountain Elf and from a historical perspective, should have a prejudice towards Dwarves. If I'm in Shard or another not-Crossing/Theren/Riverhaven city, finding any empath or trader to heal or sell pouches is hard enough already, discriminating on one that shows up because they're a Dwarf would just be a pain in the ass.

I think if it was kept to good natured ribbing (ala Gimli and Legolas) it'd be alright.

It certainly would be a different role play opportunity provided all parties involved understand the situation they're in and the nature of the role play.


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"Sogan udazama umbunor fau arrazoi inishatu seiremisai. (Only the fallen have nothing to despair)"

I despise the Prydaen, on general principal. XD Cat-people ... jeeze.

>Do shopkeepers have racist attitudes in DR like they do in Gemstone?

Not like in GS, with the mechanical biases. There are absolutely live merchants who are much closer to what you're asking about, though, and some NPC shopkeepers and such who have some interesting things they might say or do if you stick around long enough to see them.

*THE FOLLOWING ARE PURELY MY PERSONAL OPINIONS AND DO NOT NECESSARILY REFLECT AT ALL ON ANYTHING ACTUALLY PROPOSED, APPROVED OR EVEN CONSIDERED TO GO INTO THE GAME IN ANY FASHION*

I'd love to push more in this direction myself, as I feel that cultural conflicts can be a really rich RP area that hasn't been as explored in DR's run time as some others have. The history absolutely supports it, however, most of the modern ig societies really don't, especially when you're looking at fairly long term extremely multicultural cities and tons of IG years of relative getting along. This is before we get into the player side of people often having played their characters for years and years as being part of multicultural families or organizations without conflicts. So yeah, this is a hard road to consider going down in a really dramatic and all-encompassing fashion (more like GS, for example), so I personally don't see the likelihood of an all out race war as being very high.

That doesn't mean there aren't some extremely biased people, groups, or even smaller societies still out there ig, because there completely are. If you're interested in this sort of thing, it's absolutely something that can be RPed out as a PC as long as you the player are being sensible about keeping it ENTIRELY to ig references and not trying to make allusions to rl genocides, slurs, hate groups or anything atrocious like that. You better also be okay with taking your lumps in the same fashion that anyone being antagonistic is expected to be, and be mindful of not being overly disruptive or harassing. Please check policy regarding that sort of thing if you aren't sure what I mean there.

From here on out, I'm going to write assuming that everyone is keeping that stuff in mind because any of those things would be looked very poorly upon, are in bad taste to say the least, and would be a great way to end up on the very bad end of policy. Okay? Okay!

If there is a significant interest in this sort of thing, I really do encourage you all to build it ig. Us GM-folks sometimes need to feel like there is an audience who can and WANTS to explore this sort of thing in a mature fashion before we really feel overly invested in committing to it. Play stuff out ig and see what happens. We do pay attention, even if we don't respond in ways that are always easy to see.

-Persida

While I've never been Anti-(Insert Race) I've always played characters which are Pro-(Insert Race) which can lead to some pretty fun RP. The Prydaen merchant Twansic was a great example of this, choosing to only work with Prydaen and sometimes Rakash when he visited. Most of the Rakash I play are pretty heavily Pro-Rakash over any of the other Races. The only deviation from this has been my most recent character simply because he is an Order Speaker and is role played as having not had much Rakash influence in his formative years.

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I would most certainly play off my character's racial biases more often if I had confidence in the general players ability to distinguish IC from OOC. Coming from a heavier RP background, I'm use to situations where my character is absolutely vile villainess who everyone hates, but OOC we're all friends. That doesn't quite seem the norm around DR - the lines are too wishy washy.

This mountain elf would love to dislike dwarves and distrust humans, but I generally break character a bit to be nice to players regardless, since I never know exactly how much of an RPer they are and I've no interest in being stabbed for OOC butthurt.

I'd absolutely adore to find elves in game that play the race with a more traditional focus. Love love, like this is me requesting that anyone interested in more conflict driven or "snooty" Elf RP drop me an AIM message.


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>If I've noticed anything from the inevitable conclusion to all threads about being evil/racist/badguy/etc, it's that people trend toward inevitably responding poorly when bad behavior is acknowledged as bad behavior.

No, I get to be an evil sociopath and psychopath when I want to, and kill babies for fun when I want to, but when game events start up, you don't have any right to treat me like a rapist murdering evil villain, you have to respect my rights to go buy some butterfly pants and attend raffles and have tea with the Baron and go to fight night etc.

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I understand the consequences of being racist, and would gladly take my licks if they were earned. I also understand that as a relative unknown the easiest assumption to make about me is that I'm a whining carebear looking to snub everyone and never have a finger laid upon me. I accept that but I hope that you all can believe me when I say that isn't the case. I've done quite a lot of PvP-RP in other online games and don't mind losing - I usually play villains. We pretty much always lose! Damn heroes.

I was more speaking of situations like being mildly rude (For example, commenting on "rude people hiding in the shadows") and the response being an immediate "Careful .. .I smell consent." I don't feel like that's roleplay. The escalation from scoffing at someone to being slaughtered on the street often feels much too quick to be roleplay driven unless I'm dealing with a psychopath. And my character avoids talking to psychopaths as a general survival rule, just feels like a smart move :P

This is such a dead horse topic, I know and I apologize. I just wish people took a harder look at the difference of murdering someone from a roleplay standpoint. Your character is killing someone. Favors and clerics and casual PvP duels in front of the Empath guild aside, you're literally ending someone's life and causing them overwhelming pain. You're a murderer. The casualness with which it's done, the blase reactions from those nearby and the minor altercations that can lead to it don't often feel like roleplay, to me. But I am not use to the blurred OOC lines that the ruleset of DR tends toward, I've mostly functioned in situations where everyone is clearly roleplaying or clearly not. If you're standing there with a gaping hole in your chest given to you by your best friend and the two of you are giggling it up while you're bleeding out ... that just make no sense if it isn't OOC on some level.

It took me a while to adjust to the ruleset the first time I played, and ended up to the point where my character simply never spoke to anyone for fear of being killed. I'm trying to avoid that this time, but feel sad that I've had to make my character a bit more bland than I had intended because what is she going to do? Little circle 20 Empath would fall over and die if you looked at her too hard. In a world where almost all conflict - or imagined conflict for that matter, playing anything other than a playful/happy character can be dangerous- turns physical by default, she's useless. I wish she could do more without ending up a corpse. Not because I the player am afraid of PvP, but because to my character, death is a very bad thing and she's surrounded by murderers.

Yowza. I apologize for the length of this. It's apparently something I've been dwelling on since I gave up on DR years ago.


-= Alesche =-
Mountain Elf - Historian - Free Empath of the Crystal Tower
Heavy RPer Looking for Connections!
AIM: DRAlesche

> The escalation from scoffing at someone to being slaughtered on the street often feels much too quick to be roleplay driven unless I'm dealing with a psychopath. And my character avoids talking to psychopaths as a general survival rule, just feels like a smart move :P

I stopped feeling angst about RP in DR after a lot of really good arguments that everyone in game IS a psychopath and, furthermore, it makes total sense. Characters in DR are just representing the trained-killer class of pre-modern society, they don't have any social function beyond killing people, no skills beyond killing people, and an entire social pyramid established to facilitate it all.

Consequently they're all just as awful as the people in George R. R. Martin's books or the gods and demigods of the classics and eddas.

I still don't bother RPing in DR, though.

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RP doesn't have to be dead. I guess I have a nice group of people to talk to in game because I don't feel like the sky is falling yet.

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Would you like to swing on a star, or carry moonbeams home in a jar?

>I do miss the starry road. Made death meaningful.>>

You had to try to get walked back in the day, rose colored glasses.... There was no reason you'd ever get "walked" unless you let it happen or were impossibly stupid.

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All the races are so intertwined with each other in modern society that I'm not sure a race war concept would work, though I always thought a full out provincial war would be neat. Ilithi and Zoluren declare war on each other because (politics). Shenanigans and violence ensue, maybe actually have some of the smaller cities and towns(Leth Deriel, Steelclaw Clan/Fayrin's Rest/Horse Clan) change hands depending on who won(with players playing a big factor on what ground is taken during, with some obvious behind the scenes balancing because of varying player populations).

I always thought it was silly that all of the conflicts are external(I'm no DR expert, but I'm pretty sure the last conflict between what are now the five provinces was the Resistance War that created them) and all five provinces have remained at peace for 400+ years, especially in a medieval themed setting.

No planet, let alone society, has billions of people.

Earth only has 230 million.

>>Earth only has 230 million.<<

The U.S. alone has more than 300 million.

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"I only automatically kill players when they're asking for it or it's funny. Or both." ~GM Raesh

>No planet, let alone society, has billions of people.

>Earth only has 230 million.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo

Eww, troll zombie. Shameful.

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