<<3. Remove 5th and possibly 4th weapon req. These are sort of silly, either remove them in favor of adding another armor required or start them sooner than 100th and increase them a bit.

Agree.

<<5. Bump up magic ranks, 200 ranks in 3 magics at 150th seems a bit low.

Agree.

I think the reasons they exist (or not) are a nod to the skillset placement.

Madigan

I'll bet we'll have a "Defending" requirement when skills 3.0 are released, and there will also be the "Endurance" skill, which will train (somehow) like a primary. I think the addition of those skills will give us a decent amount of armor skill requirements, although I wouldn't be too opposed to a bigger 2nd armor requirement, and take shield off the list as far as 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. armor is considered.

I'm all for ditching the teaching requirements and sliding "Tactics" in its place once 3.0 is out. I don't mind a scholarship requirement, because it makes sense to me that a Paladin is more well read (on average) than, say, a Barbarian. My problem with teaching is that it seems to me that if one wanted to spread holy knowledge all around Elanthia, one would be a Cleric.

I wouldn't bother messing with the tertiary skillset requirements. They're going to be incidental to actually circling unless you make them downright prohibitive (like requiring 4/5/6 ranks of Evasion a circle, for instance).

I'd focus on requiring more effort be put in to training Lore skills (especially with two-four trainable in combat in Combat 3.0), figuring out what realistic weapon training requirements look like (Paladins always seem to float between too hard and too easy in my experience), and your guildleaders really cracking down on the lack of ranged weapon training among Paladins.

Beren wouldn't let that sort of crap fly. He'd say something like "Are you daft, kiddo? Not training a ranged weapon? Don't you realize that Paladins have to be prepared to fight under any condition? If I don't see some sort of proficiency at range from you that doesn't include wiggling your fingers and praying, I'm not going to let you progress."

The Paladin teaching requirement is so incredibly incidental I can't believe it really harmed anyone's progression. Yes, Teaching is "hard" to train now with everyone off soloing. It has not stopped me from circling ever. Weapons skills, on the other hand, frequently do. Side effect of training a lot of them, I think.

It is funny I am replying to this almost a year later. Anyways, the conversation came up today, I think our req of 1540 shield for 200th is too low. It should come out to as close to 1750 as possible, IMO. What do folks think?

If you are going to cap levels, might as well cap skill at or about the same time, right?

I am just wondering why the req is so much lower than other guilds at 200th.