Over in the Bard Guild folder we're having a discussion of the top survivals for our members. I was curious how Paladins, as a survival tert that can't use the stealthy survival skills to circle, compare. What are the top survivals for Paladins? For comparison, this is the ranking I've collected for Bards so far:

Evasion
Perception
Skinning
Stalking
Hiding
Swimming, Climbing (Tie)
Foraging
Lockpicking
Disarm, First Aid, Escaping

I am curious to see if the list is similar, just without the stealthy skills, or if the Paladin Guild charts a different pathway. Thanks for your help!

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Lupdels

Add a percentage compared to total survivals and you will get a pretty nice view of how paladins train survivals.

I'll drop mine in when I get on later.

Madigan

evasion 20%
perception 20%
foraging 12%
stalking 10%
first aid 10%
swimming 7%
climbing 6%
skinning 4%
hiding 4%
escaping 3%

I wish I had actively trained skinning back in the day. Such is life.

Perception 14%
Evasion 14%
Climbing 12%
First Aid 11%
Disarm Traps 11%
Lockpicking 11%
Foraging 10%
Skinning 9%
Stalking 6%
Swimming 1%

Cass

Cass - That is sick that you train boxes so close to perception and evasion. Sick.

Madigan

Mine are 19% of my total

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You should consider it quite enough that I have yet to try stun foe on you for the ear gnawing.

Cass

<<You should consider it quite enough that I have yet to try stun foe on you for the ear gnawing.

heh nothing stops Drevid from gnawing pointy ears.








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Perception 14%
Evasion 13%
Skinning 12%
Foraging 10%
Stalking 9%
Hiding 9%
Climbing 7%
First Aid 6%
Swimming 5%
Lockpicking 3%
Disarm Traps 3%
Escaping 2%

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Here we go:

Evasion 19%
Perception 16%
Skinning 14%
First Aid 13%
Foraging 9%
Stalking 8%
Climbing 6%
Swimming 5%
Hiding 3%
Disarm 3%
Lockpicking 3%

Total Percentage of Survival Ranks:18%


Madigan

So far the overall rankings look like this for the top ten:

Evasion
Perception
Skinning
Foraging
Stalking
First Aid
Climbing
Swimming
Lockpicking
Disarm

Evasion and Perception were in the top two for everyone, a pattern I also saw in the Bard Guild. I'd expect this to be true for most Guilds. Skinning was also high, which makes a lot of sense for training through combat.

Lockpicking and Disarm were low, which seems to be a pattern. I think the payoff for boxes is low enough that unless you have to train it, or choose to force yourself to train it, it makes more sense to ignore it.

What I found interesting was how high Foraging and First Aid were compared to ranking very low for the Bard Guild. Curious if anyone has some ideas on why they are more popular for you all.

A number train Hiding, but it on average didn't make it into the top ten for most people. I'm curious if most are training Stalking as a side effect of Hunt?

Also, last I checked Stalking wasn't allowed for circle requirements for Paladins. Has that changed?

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Lupdels

Survival skills make up 17% of my total ranks.

Magus Adakin of Prime

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Your body already swells with the enhanced strength of a hero.

>>In the newer view, foraging is high because COLLECT is the best way to get perception.

That's absolutely why foraging is up there for me. Same with stalking. I don't train it because I want it, it's just a side effect of using HUNT to train perception.

As for FA, to me it's just the most useful of the remaining survival skills and the least tedious to train.

~Katt

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Our survival requirements, as they stand now, aren't really high enough to be worried about the bottom bunch of skills. I honestly don't know what we can or can't use toward our reqs, other than stealing. I don't think those who train hiding do so because they are using it to circle. They do it because, also as it stands now, stealth is the best defense in the game. They are willing to work to take advantage of that.

~Katt

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For what it's worth

Evasion 4.6%
Perception 4.4%
Skinning 2.4%
Firstaid 2.1%
Stalking 1.9%
Climbing 1.7%
Escaping 1.5%
Foraging 1.4%
Hiding 1.2%
Lockpicking 1.1%


"My goal in M3.0 is to give Paladins a contested spell that forces a target into melee and allows neither of you to retreat nor hide.

-Z"

Elfverhan: I bet you did your percentages wrong. No way your evasion|perception are single digits. I don't think anyway.


Madigan

"I bet you did your percentages wrong. No way your evasion|perception are single digits. I don't think anyway."

This is what comes from posting without sleeping, You are correct Katt it was by total ranks. Here they are for survival ranks.

Evasion 19
Perception 18
Skinning 10
Firstaid 8.5
Stalking 7.8
Climbimg 7.0
Escaping 6.2
Foraging 5.8
Hiding 5.1
Lockpicking 4.7





"My goal in M3.0 is to give Paladins a contested spell that forces a target into melee and allows neither of you to retreat nor hide.

-Z"

Total Survival Ranks	3851	100%
Perception	670 47%	17.4%
First Aid	648 19%	16.8%
Evasion	566 33%	14.7%
Skinning	396 94%	10.3%
Stalking	351 73%	9.1%
Foraging	349 22%	9.1%
Climbing	238 77	6.2%
Other Survival Ranks	633	16.4

don't have cataracts yet.

Perception: 16%
Evasion: 15%
FA: 13%
Skinning: 13%
Climbing: 10%
Foraging: 8%
Stalking: 8%
Swimming: 7%
Lockpicking: 4%
Disarm: 4%

Percentage Survival of Total Skills: 19%

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His heart knows only virtue
His blade defends the helpless
His words speak only truth
His wrath undoes the wicked."