Been doing a little research here.

While I think rangers require too much weapon to circle... I don't think paladins should require any less. Paladins should have higher weapon reqs than any other guild except barbs.

Couldn't hurt to raise paladin weapon requirements a bit. Currently they encourage us to be lazy in training weapons, which makes us weak.


Cavalier Calemnon, Knight of Therengia

Personally I try to keep my weapon skills near my armor/shield ranks. That may be different for others, but I for one do not like having weapons ranks far behind those armor/shields ranks.

Yeah that's part of the issue for any profession that I play Lyonet. The main skills your profession are known for will quickly outstrip your other skills if you don't constantly work those secondary and tertiary skills to keep them on a "near par" level with your primary skills you'll paint yourself into a corner.

I see this issue crop up with thieves, paladins, warrior mages and rangers all the time. Basically I look at it like this, so what I don't advance as fast as some. At least my skills are better laid out and my stat's are probably higher as well due to having more tp's then most same circle paladins, warrior mages etc. Just one of those things you learn to bear with.

The paint yourself into the corner scenario for a paladin comes down to being able to protect yourself versus one or two foes but not being able to hurt them because your weapons aren't up to your armor/shield. Where as with say a warrior mage your facing the "I can kill them scenario" but even two and sometimes one foe can trash me because my combat skills aren't up to my targeting skill. All the professions seem to have some variation of this situation that can crop up, though I don't know for sure about Traders never having played one.

Try behind Corik's Wall, or perhaps, Spire thugs, I'm guessing they would be about the range to teach you everything except shield Lyonet. I could be wrong though, only guessing from where you hunt.


Samsaren Remlane
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man, target practice on the other hand, is another matter entirely.

Every time I step up to a new hunting ground I begin to learn shield and armor at high rates, quickly outpacing my weapons and survivals. This is as expected because the primary skill learn faster than the secondary and tert skills. I do not try to do much about it at the time, but what I do do is stick around that hunting area well after my shield and armor do not train anymore, letting the secondary and third tier skills catch up. I did this in sprites, vines, and will do this in Swain before moving up to the next hunting area. I feel it has helped me a good amount because my parry, evasion and multi are well above my weapons, and I can handle swarms better than a lot of friends I know at the same circle as I. Multi really makes a difference. And letting the gap get to big between shield/armor and weapons will do exactly as was stated previously, allow you to defend against thigs you cant hit. So one way or another you will have to backtrain weapons, or at least let them catch up. Why not do it in smaller amounts along the way? Just my two cents.

Sir Haammerstrike
Blunt Wielding Dwarf Paladin


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There is no reason why rangers should have higher weapon requirements than paladins.

I personally don't think it would hurt the paladin guild to have slightly higher weapon requirements.


Cavalier Calemnon, Knight of Therengia

what kind of paladins are we? how can we show respect to the gods without having the lore reqs of clerics? just because we're insecure i think we should have twice the scholarship req because we have a lot to prove.

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Admirable to want to better yourself, but don't force it on an entire guild. The design for Paladins was not to be weaponmasters, and not all want to be. As Samsaren said, if you want to have better weapons skills than a Ranger, train that way. There is no rule that you can't train your weapons to whatever level you want simply because your guild doesn't require it. In Plat we've even got a Moon Mage who trained extra hard to keep his weapons at Barbarian levels for his circle; Paladins that train their survivals like Rangers. On and on.

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Actually after 30th circle Ranger primary weapon requirements are higher per circle. I think thats what they are talking about. But only higher by one rank.


Ranger Dragamar, Toxophilite

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Gotta go with Calemnon here. Considering the effects circle has on overall power, it seems unfair to allow some weapon secondary guilds to circle from 70 to 71 (and so on) with 20 ranks fewer than another weapon secondary guild. And to justify it by saying "we have more secondary weapon reqs" is logically flawed for several reasons. Mainly that it's easy to train two weapons at once, but also because of the extreme difference in time required to go from 280 to 281 than from 160 to 161 (and so on). As it happens Rangers have more secondary and tertiary requirements than Paladins anyway.

It's not as grossly unfair with Paladins' reqs, since the difference is small. It's ridiculous when comparing Thieves' reqs with...any weapon secondary guild.