CLAYTONJ14
Paladin Combat 3.0
02/06/2012 02:43 PM CST
I guess I'll get this started.
-Are we getting that quick to melee abiity?
-Will our shield/weapon penalty be less than other guilds for 2H weapons and shield?
-Are you going to do anything with Horse combat?
-Spears are two handed, but throwing only uses one hand. Will I be able to hold my shield and throw a spear? Right now that is not possible.
That's all I can think of right now, and i'm sorry if some of these were already posted/answered. I must have missed it.
BEVERAGEK
Re: Paladin Combat 3.0
02/06/2012 03:08 PM CST
>>Spears are two handed, but throwing only uses one hand.
Not all of them. One handed spears(javelins, short hunting spears, etc) only require one hand to throw, but two handed spears require both hands be empty in order to throw.
I found this out the hard way when I tried to throw my kanton spear(2 handed) while playing with my stamping stick instrument left handed :(
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Not all of them. One handed spears(javelins, short hunting spears, etc) only require one hand to throw, but two handed spears require both hands be empty in order to throw.
I found this out the hard way when I tried to throw my kanton spear(2 handed) while playing with my stamping stick instrument left handed :(
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NEELD
Re: Paladin Combat 3.0
02/06/2012 04:42 PM CST
I am not looking forward to backtraining out of 2HE. In fact, I am not sure I have it in me to backtrain anymore.
Madigan
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BEVERAGEK
Re: Paladin Combat 3.0
02/06/2012 05:28 PM CST
>>backtraining out of 2HE
Why would you do this? You get better DPS with 2HE. If you need to defend really well, just sheath it until you close to melee and want to attack?
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Why would you do this? You get better DPS with 2HE. If you need to defend really well, just sheath it until you close to melee and want to attack?
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DIMINISHEDANGEL
Re: Paladin Combat 3.0
02/06/2012 05:47 PM CST
Honestly, if anyone should be concerned about the shield penalty for 2HE, Paladins seem lowest on the list (to me).
SULLIVANS3
Re: Paladin Combat 3.0
02/06/2012 05:52 PM CST
Except that so many paladins are 2HE prime with large shields on their arms. I suppose it depends on how the penalty works.
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DIMINISHEDANGEL
Re: Paladin Combat 3.0
02/06/2012 05:56 PM CST
>>Except that so many paladins are 2HE prime with large shields on their arms. I suppose it depends on how the penalty works.
Yes, many are. My point was that A Paladin's shield ranks tend to be so far ahead of other defenses (and attack ranks) that a 5% penalty (or whatever) wouldn't matter much, especially given spells like Holy Warrior.
Yes, many are. My point was that A Paladin's shield ranks tend to be so far ahead of other defenses (and attack ranks) that a 5% penalty (or whatever) wouldn't matter much, especially given spells like Holy Warrior.
SHADOW7988
Re: Paladin Combat 3.0
02/06/2012 06:06 PM CST
If you want a response from Dart, you should go to the combat folder.
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NEELD
Re: Paladin Combat 3.0
02/06/2012 06:07 PM CST
<<If you need to defend really well, just sheath it until you close to melee and want to attack?
I think that works great in a spar or solo fight. Most of my engagements are different. But, on the other hand, I may just joystick it (like you do) and automate drawing and sheathing the weapon depending on the engagement proximity. We will see when it comes out I suppose.
I would rather work around the issue than backtrain again that is for sure.
P.S. Do we have any paladins with test access?
Madigan
I think that works great in a spar or solo fight. Most of my engagements are different. But, on the other hand, I may just joystick it (like you do) and automate drawing and sheathing the weapon depending on the engagement proximity. We will see when it comes out I suppose.
I would rather work around the issue than backtrain again that is for sure.
P.S. Do we have any paladins with test access?
Madigan
CLAYTONJ14
Re: Paladin Combat 3.0
02/06/2012 07:22 PM CST
>>Not all of them. One handed spears(javelins, short hunting spears, etc) only require one hand to throw, but two handed spears require both hands be empty in order to throw.
This was sort of what I was getting at. IG a two handed spear to use as melee weapon reqs use of both hands, and to throw it SHOULD only use the one hand. Game mechanics defaults that it is a two handed weapon and can't throw it with something in your left hand. IRL, in history, people have always thrown long spears only using on hand. I was asking if they could fix that. Since it makes since.
SULLIVANS3
Re: Paladin Combat 3.0
02/06/2012 07:30 PM CST
>especially given spells like Holy Warrior.
Minor point but, HoW is going away as it exists now. Otherwise, I understand what you're saying. My understanding is it's a penalty to both shield and weapon. Is that not correct?
~Katt
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DIMINISHEDANGEL
Re: Paladin Combat 3.0
02/06/2012 07:31 PM CST
>>Minor point but, HoW is going away as it exists now. Otherwise, I understand what you're saying. My understanding is it's a penalty to both shield and weapon. Is that not correct?
Shield only.
Shield only.
BEVERAGEK
Re: Paladin Combat 3.0
02/06/2012 08:13 PM CST
>>I was asking if they could fix that.
Oh, I thought it was intentional. Count me in the band-wagon for getting it changed to be one-handed!
<< Is also a HT user.
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Oh, I thought it was intentional. Count me in the band-wagon for getting it changed to be one-handed!
<< Is also a HT user.
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RAIST
Re: Paladin Combat 3.0
02/06/2012 08:24 PM CST
>Shield only.
* Two-handed weapons used while also using a shield will result in shield hindrance being applied to both weapon and shield.
From http://elanthipedia.org/w/index.php/Post:Combat_3.0_Update_-_02/05/2012_-_06:38
It's somewhat unclear as whether that means "shield hindrance will be applied to weapon (and shield as normal)" or "... to weapon (and shield in addition to standard shield hindrance to shield)."
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* Two-handed weapons used while also using a shield will result in shield hindrance being applied to both weapon and shield.
From http://elanthipedia.org/w/index.php/Post:Combat_3.0_Update_-_02/05/2012_-_06:38
It's somewhat unclear as whether that means "shield hindrance will be applied to weapon (and shield as normal)" or "... to weapon (and shield in addition to standard shield hindrance to shield)."
Weapons for Sale:
http://www.elanthipedia.org/wiki/User:Caraamon#Wares
Hunta Talna Kortok, built by Gor'Togs, for Gor'Togs
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/caraamon/home.html
Combat Balance List:
http://tinyurl.com/DRBalance
DIMINISHEDANGEL
Re: Paladin Combat 3.0
02/06/2012 08:25 PM CST
>>Oh, I thought it was intentional. Count me in the band-wagon for getting it changed to be one-handed!
It is intentional. Honestly, I would be surprised if two-handed thrown weapons count for the shield penalty. You're launching the weapon from your arm; the second arm is free, perhaps used for counter-balance, whereas both of your hands are on a greatsword's pommel and exerting motion when you swing it. If the two-handed penalty does apply to thrown weapons, it should only count for the microsecond that the weapon's still in your hand before you throw it again.
It is intentional. Honestly, I would be surprised if two-handed thrown weapons count for the shield penalty. You're launching the weapon from your arm; the second arm is free, perhaps used for counter-balance, whereas both of your hands are on a greatsword's pommel and exerting motion when you swing it. If the two-handed penalty does apply to thrown weapons, it should only count for the microsecond that the weapon's still in your hand before you throw it again.
BEVERAGEK
Re: Paladin Combat 3.0
02/06/2012 10:09 PM CST
>>If the two-handed penalty does apply to thrown weapons, it should only count for the microsecond that the weapon's still in your hand before you throw it again.
To be honest I have a macro that does get spear;throw spear. Most thrown weapons should hardly be in your hand anyway :P
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To be honest I have a macro that does get spear;throw spear. Most thrown weapons should hardly be in your hand anyway :P
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DIMINISHEDANGEL
Re: Paladin Combat 3.0
02/06/2012 11:24 PM CST
>.To be honest I have a macro that does get spear;throw spear. Most thrown weapons should hardly be in your hand anyway :P
Yeah, that was exactly my point. If it does apply to two-handed spears, it will not really be a problem, as you're hardly holding the spear anyways.
Yeah, that was exactly my point. If it does apply to two-handed spears, it will not really be a problem, as you're hardly holding the spear anyways.
