I'd like to see all paladin augmentation and warding spells castable on anyone else. Contingent upon where paladins are going in the nebulous future, I'd also like to see ANY non-sig sorcerous warding and augmentation spells castable on others also castable by paladins (on others). There a good number of spells which can be cast on yourself sorcerously, but not upon other targets. Maybe what I'd rather see is a magical feat for doing so; which paladins get for free.

I'd also like to see D2 and D3 style paladin auras.

(disclosure: I don't play a paladin)

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>>DR-Raesh: As a rule of thumb we're moving towards augmentation spells being castable on others unless there's a strong mechanical or thematic reason not to.

I would love this.


>>DR-Raesh: Warding is the reverse - by default we don't want these spells cast on others, though there will be exceptions.

Is the plan still to limit characters to having one ward and one barrier up each? If so, why make most of them self-cast? I could understand the concern if we're still allowing people to stack multiple wards, but if you can only have one, it doesn't seem like such a big deal whether I cast one of my own wards or borrow one from a friend.

I'm not trying to be argumentative. I'm just curious what the rationale is if we are limiting the number of such spells you can have in effect.

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>>DR-Raesh: It gets messy and causes tactics we don't like. Say you're going to light someone up with a fireball so you intentionally put a ward on them that's weak to fire that either overwrites their existing barrier or prevents them from putting up the proper barrier.

Would it be possible to make it require the target's consent?

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>*Lead: Lead is a pretty decent group cooldown but wow is it limited. Between having to be in melee, having to be in a group, and having to be leader of said group you really don't get to use it that often. It is a bit stronger than any single spell, but requires a spell to be active to get the full effect anyways so it is more of a spell adjacent ability than a stand alone. It would be nice if we changed it to Bolster and removed the requirement of being leader just because sometimes in RP events or invasions you follow someone else and then you can't get any effect from this.

I agree and hope lead gets rewritten or rebalanced to be useful without a large-ish group even if it means changing the name. I think there's totally room for a lead-type ability that's usable solo and buffs more things as more people are grouped with the paladin. For instance, maybe solo it boosts charisma. Then, add one member and you get a DF buff and the third adds OF. Fourth person adds an intimidation debuff. Maybe you could throw in group anti-stun and anti-immobilize for the fifth for the final effect. Could even add some minor stat buffs for an additional effect.

Rather than making the new lead ability's potency scale based on group size, its potency should scale with soul stat so can actually see it doing something even when you can't get a large group for geographic, timing or other reasons. I also think adding a paladin to the group should enhance the ability's effects, even if it's only a couple of percentage points (up to some cap).

Something like that would really make people want to join a paladin when invasions strike. It would also give paladins a reason to use it even if they choose to enforce justice over on Kresh.


>*Group Buffs: I know Paladins are spell tertiary but for a class that seems to keep being pushed towards "group" combat and helping others, almost every buff a paladin has it self cast only. In the 3.0 buff homogenization really kind of killed some Paladin "neatness". I remember how awesome it was when a Paladin came into the infirmary and offered to cast Courage for everyone, everyone wanted it but now everyone pretty much can buff stamina so that iconic impact doesn't exist.

Definitely agree here, too. Paladins' group orientation was a factor in my decision to roll a paladin again after my initial failed attempt. I think Courage's rebalancing probably impacted its desirability among other guilds more than the other magic changes/additions. Old Courage was awesome. So was old Smite and Smite Foe (pre-TM).

>>I don't think anyone finds it fun to try and cast thousands of mana of spells and having to redo it all 20 minutes later.

I remember seeing this in another thread recently, but similar to there it's worth asking: are you supposed to cast that many buffs at once? What if we're looking at an intentional feature, not a big, where we're discouraged from having more than X buffs up at once explicitly by it being too much work to do past a certain point.

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>>we're discouraged from having more than X buffs up at once explicitly by it being too much work to do past a certain point.

Maybe, but if you look at the results, it tends to be that people feel the need to cast them all and just suffer through it hating the system. If we're all going to do it no matter what, it would be nice if things were rebalanced so that it wouldn't be so painful (either faster casting or, my preference, longer durations).

And besides, I've never felt in combat like I had so many buffs that the critters were just too easy. Even with buffs I'm still often squeaking by to get the exp I need. Maybe that changes at higher levels though, or with different guilds.


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I cast and maintain all buffs in combat without any issue on all my characters, even adding in all of the non-combat ones for training. But I completely script it, so it's just something that happens as part of my regular combat training and doesn't require me to actively think about. If I were to do that manually I definitely think I would rapidly lose patience with it, and would edit which buffs I used. I certainly wouldn't use the non-combat ones.

Also, I actually like the short-ish durations since it helps keep magics moving by just casting buffs as needed making training more natural and intuitive. I find that as I start getting longer durations on my buffs my incidental magic learning during combat really slows down.

I say 40 minutes as the cap below, but I have the magic skills of a 150-155th circle Paladin and I can only cast buffs for 10-30 minutes depending on spell difficulty.

What if we got a duration bonus from primary magic or the field that governs the spell such as augmentation?

This already exists by way of spell stance to a not insignificant degree. You can vary potency, integrity, and duration by as much as a 60% difference by sacrificing one for another. I regularly set integrity to 70% and duration to 130% for any spells with annoying cast mechanics like rituals or spells which stun you on cast, for example.