<<Lead ~ Any chance Lead can be reviewed to work if you arn't the party leader and remove the need to be at melee? I'm finding frequent situations where the ability would be nice while serving with the ODS, but rarely am I leading my hunting group. Aso I may not be the one at melee as I am guarding key individuals.>>

IMO LEAD should be just that leading, the requirement that they be the leader of the group makes sense. If you are in a group in a combat situation and the current leader is not a Paladin, simply have the disband the group and join you. I have never had this problem, even though the "leader" or "person in charge" is not mean, the bonus to lead is too good to pass up and the "leader" not allowing the ranking Paladin in the group to "lead" is failure in their leadership. As for the melee requirement, I also think it should remain, use protect instead of guard.

<< Another key problem is that someone leading a group of people cannot care for others well via "drag" as it sends the group into chaos at the loss of their leader; A niche ability for paladins and drag might also be neat. >>

If your leading it should be someone elses responsability to drag. Dragging is typically given to younger folks who cannot fight the foes effectively, or have stealth advantage, a Paladin retreating to drag is not an effective use of a Paladins abilities. See someone stunned? protect them and keep on leading.

Just my opinion on the matter. LEAD should require you to be leading, and it should also require you to actually be involved in combat.

>>Just my opinion on the matter. LEAD should require you to be leading, and it should also require you to actually be involved in combat.


I think there are many ways to lead a group, in fact most generals are not on the front lines commanding their troops, but at a distance so they can effectively react to the ever changing battle scenarios.

That being said, I would agree that you shouldn't have to be at melee, but that you should be the group leader. Further, it is probably much easier to code the ability based on group leadership.

any chance for Lead to be used without a group or with non group mechanics of some sort?

I'd be all for it being renamed Inspiration or whatnot, and have it work that way. 98% of DR solo hunts: Group hunting really doesn't work out as efficiently (A shame, because company is nice.)

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-Iskhhr

"What is the worth of one man's honor?"

<< I really hope/trust that a lot of what Dart is doing with combat is going to make group hunting (and group combat in general) far more viable. >>

Agreed.

Heck, even something as simple conceptually as the more robust squelching system he mentioned at one point would go a long way toward making things better.

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-Iskhhr

"What is the worth of one man's honor?"

<< Two part question, really: Is there a penalty of any kind when lead drops? And does lead affect Barbs negatively? >>

No and no.

Lead isnt magic, no reason it should affect Barbs in any way but good ways.

<< I used lead not long ago with a barb in my group. He noticed a significant difference in what he's used to immediately after it dropped. Both offensively and defensively. That's why I asked. He tried logging out and back in with no improvement, then eventually died (because he couldn't hit what he hunts daily). It seemed to be fine after the death. >>

Maybe there is an obscure bug that causes lead to conflict with some dance he was doing? I have no idea, but lead should not have caused this and I have not ever heard of anything like that happening before (hence if its a bug, its gotta be pretty rare).

Maybe, he was just weaksauce after the lead wore off.


~Silus
Banner first, ask questions later.

I had dragon dance up during and after lead wore off. I can dance with those dragon priest assassins with no issues, even if dances are not up. Even after disarming them, with dragon dance up, several minutes after the incident, i was getting hit and missing, or hitting very weakly. Normally, disarming them and swinging on them results in one hit kills or close to it. No damaged armor, stance was fine, all gear was on, no burden issues. During our hunt before lead dropped, everything was fine. Something bugged.

2 hours ago, roughly.

Ah, its not the assassins then (unless some GM just happened to be tweaking at the same time, but I doubt it). If there is an issue with lead though, I dont think its a general issue, or this complaint would be commonly heard. I suspect there was some other factor that was not playing nice with lead. I am very curious, have you tried to reproduce it? If you can reproduce it then nagging the GMs to fix it might be easier.

I assume the barb didnt have some hindering spell cast on him at some point, a barb that can hunt assassins would be tough to cast on and I am sure he would have noticed.

You should die again and try to figure this out.


-Mr. Glemm

Did he recently run through a hunting area? The fear effect granted by Demrris' Resolve (and I think some roars) has been known to bug out and give a super penalty to everything combat that takes forever to wear off.

-Evran

Bringing sexy back just for you Devan.

<< Did he recently run through a hunting area? The fear effect granted by Demrris' Resolve (and I think some roars) has been known to bug out and give a super penalty to everything combat that takes forever to wear off. >>

A good theory, but wouldnt it take a huge bard to pull this off on a barb who hunts assassins? I am guessing he is at least 125th or so.

But no need to die to reproduce this. Do the lead thing, when it wears off go take a few swings at the assassins real quick to see if your "broke" again, and if so, assist and let a GM "look" at you.

Let me tell you that a resolve has done me in for very long periods of time. It is really a nasty thing if it catches you. Not sure what the bug is, but I could not shake it for a long time.


Madigan