Sslad, you barely have over 200 ME so slow your role tough guy. The only time you ever engage me is while I hunt because God forbid I have buffs up and glyphs against your cookies. Even at that point, let's take a look at the last time you tried to stab:


Ssladron leaps from hiding and ambushes you, completely surprising you.
* Driving in like the irresistable force of a cyclone, Ssladron thrusts a sabre at you. You block with an enameled tower shield painted with the Therengian royal crest.
[You're invigorated, solidly balanced and in better position.]
>
Ssladron retreats from you.
>
Ssladron retreats from you.
>
Ssladron begins to advance on you!
Ssladron is still a distance away from you and is closing steadily.
>
You feel fully prepared to cast your spell.
>search
You search around for a moment.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
You notice Ssladron who is quite obviously attempting to remain hidden.
R>
Out of the corner of your eye, you notice Ssladron trying to sneak south.


Note the complete surprised part and the failed attempt. Way to run away like the little girl you are. Best part about this is that it comes after a point where you had to have a friend kill me and then as I'm in rt from being raised you WARN INTERACT me and proceed to land a grazing hit. You're a little kid who doesn't have the guts to fight me like a man. Slaris would wipe the floor with you as I have in the past even though you have 20 circles on him. You're a cookie cutter thief with garbage combats. Shut your mouth and go home.

Kolaisa

Bar maids and beauties

I dont see any roleplay there by anyone, merchant or ambushers. All I see is some mechanics taking place. Lack of roleplaying I think is a correct term. To compare the ambush as a roleplayed Robin hood scenairo is reaching to an extreme.

Jim

They were taxing him, which would have been said but he decided to unleash some profanity upon us first. We were too busy laughing.

Kolaisa

Bar maids and beauties

what? You're being very vauge. Many a moon mage have torn my limbs off. Tenion being the last but I don't think you are refering to that.

Kolaisa

Bar maids and beauties

Hoooookay, looney tune.

Change parties into players, not characters.

---

So I asked this God a question
and by way of firm reply,
He said: "I'm not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays".

>>The important part of roleplay is that both PLAYERS are enjoying the experience

False

>>It's a game. If you're not enjoying your experience while playing the game, you need to find something else to do.

True

The responsibility of enjoyment is on the player alone. I can't be expected to find an RP that is suitable with every person I meet. While I may not mind getting stolen from, another player might. Neither situation makes theft more or less of a suitable RP choice.

-Wighten

<<Neither situation makes theft more or less of a suitable RP choice.>>

Stealing from someone and then leaving isn't RP, it's mechanics. NOTE--if you then, say, go to your thieves' den and brag about how easy that last mark was, and count your coin... That would be RP, but not with the victim.

Having a paladin halt somebody and all his friends steal from that person without saying much besides "no mana" is not RP, it's harassment and snerthood.

The problem here is that Kolaisa and his companions are using "we were just roleplaying!" as a defense for their harassment. In fact, I think there was a comparison to Robin Hood made. If they made any effort to engage... Let's say...

Kolaisa halts RandomTrader.
Kolaisa exclaims, "You are passing through the territory of Kolaisa's Brotherhood! You must pay a toll of five platinum kronars--or whatever you happen to have in your pockets!"
Kolaisa's thief buddies steal from RandomTrader.
RandomTrader exclaims, "You won't get away with this!"
Kolaisa says, "Oh, but I already have. Take a swing at me if you have a problem with that, but I wouldn't suggest it."
RandomTrader asks, "But aren't you a paladin!? Why are you doing this!?"
Kolaisa says, "I have my reasons, and I won't have you judging me, filthy moneychanger."

That would be roleplaying. And RandomTrader could get quite a bit of enjoyment and excitement out of this whole encounter. That's very different from...

Kolaisa halts RandomTrader.
Kolaisa's thief buddies steal from RandomTrader.
Kolaisa says, "no mana"
RandomTrader asks, "What the hell?"
Kolaisa and company ignore RandomTrader.

In which no attempt at engagement was made whatsoever. No attempt was made to turn this into anything more than a conspired mechanics-based coin grab for profit.

Even in most muggings in that unspeakable place known as the Real World, the mugger will actually say something to the victim--not essentially pretend that they don't exist after the money has been taken.

PS: I'm really sick of this attitude that "roleplaying evil = committing random acts of chaotic unlawfulness against strangers for no reason"... Real evil is much more insidious than that.

---

Marksman Ahmir Nam'al

"Is glas iad na cnoic i bhfad uainn."
-Distant hills look green.

>>If you really want to Slaris, I guess. You have no chance at all if you are lower than Kola though as he has no chance at all melee.

Because you can use khri in the pit.

I am --- Navak

I still owe you 2 gold and a handful of stones Kolabear. It is amazing to me the sheer number of "sleeping traders" that roam these lands.

~Harlet~

Why would thief thugs care as long as a non thief was not stealing from a thief?


Love me or Hate me, you will never forget me.

>>It may well be in-character, but it's not RP.

...

Am I the only person that has a problem with that line?

-Wighten

Ok.. so he's saying..

to be role playing

and I'm saying..

to be playing a role

Alright... it all makes sense now. Good thing you added the word 'a'.

-Wighten

>Am I the only person that has a problem with that line?

I understand the difference he's trying to point out. Syler made a nice post on it, and in my mind has it pegged.

Redardless of the hair-splitting on a definition, there is no rule that states Paladins cannot be motivated by greed. There is a test on a certain glyph quest that indicates otherwise, however that is the only IG evidence to the contrary I know of.

For a different perspective....

If the trader never says a word, moves on and follows that with reporting the caught thieves to the outpost, that is roleplay?

Yes, there is a distinction between playing a role and a specific situation that could be considering a role played scenario.

To simply use the mechanic of theft over and over and rarely expand upon that is pretty remedial in application.

As much as I may or may not like Ragran at least he has developed a persona along with the activities involved. Doesn't mean he has to chat it up at the activity, but he certainly doesn't shy away from doing so at a later time.

In that he provides the victim the oppurtunity to engage in a role played scenario. In many ways he is the planner and coordinator initially of the action.

From what I read of the log, the concept of scenario is pretty much lost. From what I can tell of responses, it seems to be lost all the time on that bunch.

As I pointed out about Kolaisa.... even when caught and cornered which would be prime time for a little talking and yukking it up and playing the role... we find he was completely incapable of doing so. The character Kolaisa just isn't interesting in the least.

Is this an RP statemtnt and a way to base a character ......

Since I know alot of traders are afk I will be the thief that steals from them at every oppurtunity.

>Kolaisa
>Ragran

I sense some frustration only a cheap hotel room and an ample supply of alcohol can cure.

No logs please.

>First of all it deters from my RP when everyone gets snuggly with me.

[insert new macro keys]
F1 = \xhug ragran\rflirt ragran\rsmooch ragran\r

> it was the tag teaming involved. The halt, the laughing at my helplessness as you stole from me 3 or 4 times. Even more disturbing from my traders point of view, was the threats afterwards to hunt me down and kill me for having successfuly accused one of those involved.

Yes, well, pretty much you have one option ... log. You caravan will sit there for a while and they can't kill it, thankfully. If you have a secondary chara, which you do, go and feed the thing until they get tired of playing snert. <shrug>

Unfortunately DR is run under the golden rule, or he who has the gold, makes the rules. Although in this case its circles.

>It is amazing to me the sheer number of "sleeping traders" that roam these lands.

Personally, I don't have a problem with this, as long as its not halt someone and clean them out while they're screaming. Sure, go ahead and clean out the sleepers. Its the ones who don't quit when caught, but instead sit there and keep stealing that I'll just log. Yes, you have the right to keep stealing from someone even while they're screaming their fool head off. Yes, you have the right to follow someone around and steal from them over and over and over again as long as they're well under your circle. However, I can still log.

Ultimately, though, in DR just like in any other MUD or MUSH or chat room or anywhere else on-line, the only real defense against harassment is to leave. That's just the nature of the beast. I just wonder though what people get out of harassing others into logging as the only defense. Doesn't seem much like role playing to me.