>People use this argument all the time to legitimize bad ideas in fiction.

And people use this rebutal when they don't have a leg to stand on.

The extension of your logic is that we cannot perform any supernatural feats, period, because suspension of disbelief and game play mechanics are not valid reasons for things to exist, therefore DR must mimic real life, and only real life, up to and including single, permanent, death, as well as crippling injuries being permanent.

>Everyone in Elanthia that I've ever met has already known my name and I've been able to tell when everyone who's died has no matter where or who they are.

Well, as far as the names/etc. thing goes, DR's player class are the celebrities of the game world, they're the 1% of the 1%, it makes sense that, even barring previous meetings, we could know names and general such things.

As far as deaths go, that is, again, a core function of the Dragonrealms world, and one of the (many) ways the physics in DR differs greatly from the physics in real life; in the game, spirit is a manipulatable force, something which can be metered, measured, effected, and controlled, just like electricity in real life. So perhaps a death simply resonates the spiritual aether, similar to how a pole top transformer exploding would resonate the air (and produce sound).

Bear in mind DR's playable area is pretty small, compared to the world; we're in roughly the size of Europe. We don't feel things from people in the other continents/etc. so presumably there's a distance metric involved.

>> "it's stupid"

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>on why the pile thing is metagaming is because it's stupid, and while I have no difficulty pretending that there's a world in which people can throw magic fire and roar so loudly that people flee in terror, I can't accept that this is also a world in which no living person is capable of collecting a pile of rocks without subconsciously shaping them in a way that reveals their profession.

I guess it needs to be repeated a few more times - don't think of it as 'Haha, I'm Necrobob and I do everything normally, but when I gather rocks, YOU CAN SEE HOW EVIL I AM MWA HA HA HA HA HA back to the tea party'. Instead, think of it as 'I am Necrobob, and *everything I do is slightly wrong*, from the way I speak, to the way I stand, to the way gather rocks'.

Gathering rocks isn't a singular out, a Rorschach test that stands alone in all the actions a player performs, it's supposed to be just one of many things Necromancers do that looks wrong. 'Hey Necrobob why don't you shake my hand like a Ranger can?' or 'Hey Necrobob why don't you summon a familiar?' or 'Hey Necrobob why don't you do a prediction?' are all metagaming guild specifics that people find acceptable, for some reason, but the nuanced tells of how insane Necromancers are are something people believe to be silly.

He only thing dumb about the handshake is demeanor has nobeffect on preventing them.

I continue to be puzzled by this mechanic. It can be avoided entirely using 'forage item' instead of 'collect item'.

There's just so many things that can out people. If it's a cleric or moon mage ability, that makes sense. If it's something like a box dismantle or collect rock... I just don't...

I think specifically people want the easy Outdoorsmanship + Perception experience it provides, but, I agree, meh. Play smarter people.

I've only ever used it in out of the way places. I've still had people pass by and pause in my room for a little too long.

Not much you can really do about at that point it until piles are fixed or they make outdoorsman less utterly tedious to train.

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>>Prospect walk through a couple mines?

I believe mining trains Outdoormanship better. Prospect is better for Appraisal\Perception.

Lumberjacking will be released with Shaping so that will be another way.

Outdoorsmanship is still one of my survivals. I just don't collect piles in crowded gathering spots. I use collect pretty frequently, because I also train Alchemy.

If you're training somewhere where people can out you, you're doing it wrong. If you're doing something in your training that'll out you in such a place, you're doing it extra wrong.

>>If you're training somewhere where people can out you, you're doing it wrong. If you're doing something in your training that'll out you in such a place, you're doing it extra wrong.

Here's the problem with that. Unless you're collecting only in a guild-only area, there's still a chance that someone might stumble across you by chance, and look at a pile.

And the odds are, that one person will out you to many more.

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I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what guild I am IRL :(

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I'll have to check out mining again I guess. I really wasn't impressed with the experience gains I saw when I tried it last, but who knows, maybe I've since broken some threshold of skill where I can move it decently now, and it doesn't hurt to try. I can't really afford better than storebought on my toon unfortunately, so if high level materials are a requirement for good experience gains I'm out of luck.

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>>I can't really afford better than storebought on my toon unfortunately, so if high level materials are a requirement for good experience gains I'm out of luck.

You can get a steel pick from the a Trader's shop for around 15 plat and should work just fine. The speed difference between Society bought and a steel one is night and day, the different between steel and rare materials not so much.

>I wouldn't personally go for a speed based pick anyway if you're worried about mining dangers.

Speed based is fine if you do a prospect danger after every swing.

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Prospect danger after every swing defeats the purpose of a fast pickaxe. I prospect after every six swings, both to check that there's still minerals in the room, and to check out any dangers that haven't messaged the room yet.

So far it's worked well.

>> In my (limited) experience that sounds like a recipe for disaster.

Haven't had any issues in two weeks in TF. I mine until locked every time my outdoorsmanship drops below 5/34. I am not sure if skill plays a part in avoiding dangers, but I have 825+ outdoorsmanship and perception.

Were piles changed since this thread? Currently (tested on a few different characters) piles gathered anyone appear to show only the LOOKer's own guild message. Is this safe now?