Ok, this is getting rediculous. Seven straight attempts over last two or three weeks at having an in town conflict. Every time I was defended by an at level or character well above my level character. EVERYTIME accused by some unknown party and run out of town by game mechanics instead of getting come RP plus combat stuff.

In short this ACCUSE is ruining interactions my character has engaged in, I tried doing some RP on gweths outta town too. Got little response and GM auto-killed and all I was doing was standing out a gate waiting for some face-to-face confront from a PLAYER.

My suggestion, MAKE ACCUSE TELL ME WHO DID IT AND GRANT CONSENT! or since that seems to be to unreasonable a thing to ask for (why I can't fathom) then extend the purge to something like 25-30 mins? Lemme get some kinda fun going. Because hunting all the time b/c I cant get a decent RP conflict kicking is getting real lame. Staring at screen scroll from hunting all the time just makes me hate this game which I have loved so much over the years.

Please, I am begging. Do something here to help this situation. I don't care about charges or anything like that just the purge. Its just a way for some Closed/Guarded lame that I wasn't interupting in the first place to have me killed with NO repercussions. Stealing locks a player OPEN can ACCUSE just on the merit that they are engaging in activity that can kill another character? Something...

>>RP in an area without justice? That's over half the game world.

The trouble isn't the size of the game world that's without justice; The problem is the size of the player population who spend their non-hunting time there.

>>before I was just auto-killed by a GM and tacked up with massive fines when I wasn't in a justice area.

This is disheartening to read.

Khiol, I'm not trolling...is english your second language? Or at least second written english?

I think the mechanics are in place for a reason, and the fact that they're used the way they are isn't and shouldn't change. What can change is the way we Necromancers expect RP and PvP. I won't get into fights in towns, but it's easy enough to make an excuse for stepping out. And I also wouldn't expect much of the portion of the player base that lives in justice zones and spam accuses; don't look to them for fun RP.

>I think the mechanics are in place for a reason, and the fact that they're used the way they are isn't and shouldn't change. What can change is the way we Necromancers expect RP and PvP. I won't get into fights in towns, but it's easy enough to make an excuse for stepping out. And I also wouldn't expect much of the portion of the player base that lives in justice zones and spam accuses; don't look to them for fun RP.

Not what I am getting at these last seven encounters have been with people who didn't accuse and most can wipe the floor with me, but someone else just accuses me mid-fight or while I'm RPing before the fight gets started. NOONE hangs out outside town so what am I reduced to? No options.


>Khiol, I'm not trolling...is english your second language? Or at least second written english?

Heh, I just type my thoughts out and don't worry about spelling or grammar.

Tell me how the heck am I supposed to get it any other way? I don't see anyone hanging around somewhere I can engage in some RP besides justice zones. And I already stated I tried to get some interaction drawn outside of town on a few occasions and just get GM purged and massive charges for the gweth I have to use to try that method.

"Burn him! Burn him!" You hear the cries echo around you as everyone in the vicinity suddenly moves away, giving you a wide berth! It goes without saying you'll be wanted for forbidden practices in The Rakash Village.

It's a personal preference thing; where I trying to get my pvp on, I'd challenge someone in town and make an excuse to leave town. If they don't want to step out, call them a coward for hiding behind the guards or their guild leader. And if they still won't step out, they're not the sorts of people you want to PvP with.

I don't really hold that we're meant to be doing flashy things in justice zones. I believe that's intentional.

Try getting some RP/PvP as a necromancer. Then we can talk. If you seen how bad it really is on Khiol is deplorable. I come to fight in the invasions ACCUSED ASAP after invasion mech is turned off. I fight an enemy in their hangout spots I get a good fight going and ASAP from being pulled from hiding or invis ACCUSE everytime. Seen not invis for anyreason in town ACCUSE instantly almost. I feel like people have a script for it or something its crazy.

"Burn him! Burn him!" You hear the cries echo around you as everyone in the vicinity suddenly moves away, giving you a wide berth! It goes without saying you'll be wanted for forbidden practices in The Rakash Village.

Khiol, when I was playing Shatter, I found all the PvP interaction I could handle by tossing out the occasional gweth-blast while running around between Therenborough and Lang. Make a presence during sparring events or go invis and leave a zombie in Theren Keep during one of the brigade sweeps. It's a nice break to hear something different than "keep is all clear" once in a while.

Once they know you're there, they'll hunt you pretty relentlessly. You won't need to be in a justice area.

--Wryhk

"If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom." ~Dwight D. Eisenhower

Ok, try running in to the bin, leaving a zombie there in passive mode, then get the heck out of town before someone can get to Theren to accuse. A zombie in Chadatru's chapel is also still a solid statement of challenge. Just wait until you hear some declare that they're patrolling the keep.

--Wryhk

"If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom." ~Dwight D. Eisenhower

This is not intended to be offered as a solution, or even a comment on the game mechanics:

Khiol, I remember being in a very similar position on my Cleric in about 2002. Even some of your posts in another thread regarding 'spell ability effectiveness' reminded me of where I was back then with my Cleric. I had put so much time into training my dude, I got really bored with the training and looked for the payoff, and nothing was sufficient. I was burnt out on the game, and it took a while for that to sink in, then a bit longer to accept it. Fortunately, there is a lot more on the Net today then there was 11-12 years ago.

Maybe there's a game design solution to your problem, and maybe there's not. I am just saying there comes a point when the fun of playing is greatly diminished, and not much can really fix that. I started taking breaks from the game. (Just don't get rid of your dude out of frustration or any other reason!)

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>Yea it was a Hound purge and my gweths prolly deserved it, but I was trying what Raesh suggested already to get some player conflict interaction. So I learned that I only can gweth for a small amount of interaction because ACCUSE being the horrid mechanic that it is keeps me from playing in town, out of town I am just Hounded and tacked with 50 plat fines by GM with 0 interaction with a GMPC even. I know its hardmode and someone will use that excuse but seriously, work with me here.

Just in the interest of conversation Khiol, you have not been "auto killed" by a GM as of this moment today.

Everything you've seen today is a result of players taking justice against a necromancer into their own hands. Additionally, while I understand you may want to play an edgy necromancer, do keep in mind that spouting things about tyranny and oppression IS likely to get you charges unrelated to your necromancy (crimes against the state). These are things you have been saying on the gweth for quite some time now, and being a necromancer, I am sure you just don't hang around in town to see those charges get served as they happen because that would be ridiculous, right? So, do keep that in mind.

And yes, necromancers are hard mode. That's not an excuse that is simply a fact.

~Evike

>Everything you've seen today is a result of players taking justice against a necromancer into their own hands.

Entirely wrong. The Hounds cannot kill you outside a JUSTICE zone. That has to be done by a GM. So the players did nothing in the incident. Maybe REPORTed is the extent of what they did. My point is that is just another cop out instead of letting the players interested in the interaction get their fun in or ignore me long enough and I'll go away because they are into it the moment.

What I am refering to had nothing to do with that interaction that just happened. It I have no problem with. Even the accuse didn't happen immediately.

"Burn him! Burn him!" You hear the cries echo around you as everyone in the vicinity suddenly moves away, giving you a wide berth! It goes without saying you'll be wanted for forbidden practices in The Rakash Village.

>>Entirely wrong. The Hounds cannot kill you outside a JUSTICE zone. That has to be done by a GM.

Just spitballing here, but since gwething while past a certain threshold of SO can cause more SO, could it push someone's SO to the point where they actually do get Hounded?

In other words, is it possible that being Hounded isn't necessarily the result of being in a justice zone, but more like hitting the critical level of DO? It just happens that the gross majority of things that can cause SO are within justice zones, so most of the time that's when Hound attacks take place. And, up until gwething came out, there wasn't a real way to increase your SO outside of justice zones.

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>>Just spitballing here, but since gwething while past a certain threshold of SO can cause more SO, could it push someone's SO to the point where they actually do get Hounded?

There's no SO equivalent to the divine smite. Trying to build SO past the roof just leaves you at the roof.

-Armifer
"In our days truth is taken to result from the effacing of the living man behind the mathematical structures that think themselves out in him, rather than he be thinking them." - Emmanuel Levinas

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Its a difficult situation. I think Khiol is a good Role Player and has done a stellar job being the in your face badguy and pushing his reputation past critical mass, Id be surprised if there was a player that didn't know of Khiol the Necromancer. However, while he has done an amazing job at being 'that guy that everyone knows and hates', the downside is that the character is 'that guy that everyone knows and hates.' So I am not surprised that the accusations start to pile up any time people think he is in town, they all know your game and how to deal with the threat you pose.

The question then is, do the mechanics need to change or does your play style? Its not one that I think is easy to answer, the mechanics in place are there because the Devs want Necromancers to be the ones being hunted, not the other way around. A change in mechanics may make it easier for Necromancers to get free reign in town, the very place they are meant to be at a massive disadvantage in.

Elusive
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>Id be surprised if there was a player that didn't know of Khiol the Necromancer.

I only know of him from the forums, but I hang out in non-justice zones with the nobodies.

Idea: scale time to hounding based on level.

Higher level takes more time ("Uh oh guys, lets wait for more of us to show up before we go after him")
Exceptions would be going into places where there is likely to be a large number of armed people (bank, guildhouses, guard house, etc), which also happen to be the places that are useful. It would also trigger all stores refusing to sell items to you.

Basically, it would give more time to escape/RP but still prevent you from using the services that the original system was designed to prevent you from using.

Could be a good intermediate step towards the slowly spawning hounds.

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