I was actually poking at Vivisection yesterday. It's a problematic spell the fix, but I am not going to abandon it outright.

>>We spoke about an idea you ran by some people of blood burst continuing to burn the same location it struck on impact. Has there been any further talks about this? Just curious.

Its been approved but requires more work.

-Armifer
"In our days truth is taken to result from the effacing of the living man behind the mathematical structures that think themselves out in him, rather than he be thinking them." - Emmanuel Levinas

I think its just the damage types the spell is assigned. Most of our other spells deal energy damage, which is usually better then pure physical damage when it comes to armor.

Elusive
mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur

So here's where I am in my Vivisection investigation.

1) Damage is probably not changing, but I won't completely close the door on that.
2) However, Necros are severely behind the curve in getting away with a "snipe" compared to Rangers, let alone Thieves (who have a sickening, global caps busting bonus currently). I'll think of something.

-Armifer
"In our days truth is taken to result from the effacing of the living man behind the mathematical structures that think themselves out in him, rather than he be thinking them." - Emmanuel Levinas

>>Damage is first based on template, then modified by Potency. The roof and ceiling doesn't matter except for practicalities of casting. A 100% Potency cast is treated as a 100% cast, whether it's a 70 mana difference or a 700.

So a min prep of VIV does more damage than a min prep of ACS, since it's min prep is notably higher?

That's the only thing I'm really wondering about. If I'm looking at things right (and I might now be...), if my potency/etc/etc was 100/100/100, VIV cast of ~68 would put it at 50% it's capability, and a cast of 51 would put ACS at 50% of its capability. VIV cast at min would put it at... whatever the base level of capability counts as (1%?), while casting ACS at VIV's min (28) would put it at something like ~25% of its capability.

The numbers normalize once everything hits 100%, because the spells both cap around 100, but the starting points are notably different and, at least in my experiences, I'm not putting that much mana into most TM spells. I normally prep at something like 1-5 and pull in 10-20 extra via harness.

Honestly, my biggest issue with VIV is the minimum prep. I know it's just my perspective, but 28 seems like a lot for the snipe factor of it. That makes me go to ACS/STRA/BLB a lot faster than VIV if the damage is all on the same general playing field and I want my mana to last.

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>Could you help me understand this complaint?

I suspect like others have said that it is most likely the slice/puncture damage combo. But even in in PVE It takes 5 max cast SV 7 BLB and 10 VIV. This is against moths. Now i didn't kill 50 with each spell to check the averages. Just 3 times each. But same number each time.

The real thing's that changed in 3.0 that ruined this spell completely are
1) we used to be able to prep the spell with no perception contest.

2) we used to be able to target the spell with no perception contest (in and out of hiding/invizo)

3) we used to actually get away with casting it on people with perception similar to our unbuffed stealth before obfuscate.

4) we could cast from JUST eyes of the blind and not be pulled out if we succeeded. Now we have to HIDE even though we are already in stealth per say.


The damage was never award winning, But there is absolutely no reason to use this spell over others now.

Also recently tested with a ranger who has 500 stealth aimed at me with a bow from invizo, I did not notice the actual aiming with my 1200+ perception.

-Zerreck Arkarm

>>I might budge a bit on the min prep, but it'll remain high.

I'd be happy if VIV's min was around where SV is.

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Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.

>>2) However, Necros are severely behind the curve in getting away with a "snipe" compared to Rangers, let alone Thieves (who have a sickening, global caps busting bonus currently). I'll think of something.

And how do you figure this? It's merely a skill check isn't it? Assuming there are no mathematical compensations or anything in place. Stealth is stealth.


~Van

>And how do you figure this? It's merely a skill check isn't it? Assuming there are no mathematical compensations or anything in place. Stealth is stealth.

When comparing the stealth bonus from Eotb to silence I am guessing that the thief invizo was giving a larger bonus overall. At least that seemed hinted at.

That being said, I test stealth with the new and improved eotb bonus and it is very cool. Felt stealth was finally working. I was testing against people likely a 200-300 ranks below me. But they were unable to see me as I chatted away and went in and out of hiding. These are the same people that in 2.0 could not see me. Then 3.0 could regularly. So it is a cool change.

Now to get a stealth hindrance reducer like ranger and thieves and we will be set =)

-Zerreck Arkarm

If you don't mind sharing, What does the Backstab/scouting/Thanatology actually do in the snipe contest?

-Zerreck Arkarm

>>If you don't mind sharing, What does the Backstab/scouting/Thanatology actually do in the snipe contest?

Provides a bonus to the stealth check.

-Armifer
"In our days truth is taken to result from the effacing of the living man behind the mathematical structures that think themselves out in him, rather than he be thinking them." - Emmanuel Levinas